Matt Cassell

[Maxman]

Dear front office,
Are we going to sign this guy or what? Favre is nice but he is old. Don't let yesterdays game mislead you, Cassell is the real deal.

He is a winner. Make this happen.

Thanks,
Max

[Jets337]

I don't think there is a chance that the Pats will let him go. Brady had a couple of infections in his knee, so who knows if he will be ready for training camp. The Pats are a notoriously cheap team, but I bet they will spend to keep Cassel in place.

[Maxman]

I don't think there is a chance that the Pats will let him go. Brady had a couple of infections in his knee, so who knows if he will be ready for training camp. The Pats are a notoriously cheap team, but I bet they will spend to keep Cassel in place.

I think he will be franchised by New England. Otherwsie Tanny better snap him right up. He is a keeper.

I have him in 9 of my 13 fantasy leagues.

:)

[Jets337]

Nice. He definitely had the hot hand until yesterday. I think they will franchise him as well. Lock him up for the year and see how Brady progresses.

[Maxman]

Nice. He definitely had the hot hand until yesterday. I think they will franchise him as well. Lock him up for the year and see how Brady progresses.

7 of my leagues are keeper leagues. Do you think I should protect him for fantasy football purposes?

If Tom's knee gets better and Matt is franchised he might not play much next season. That concerns me.

I am hardcore when it comes to fantasy football.

[Jets337]

I'd be shocked if Brady doesn't play next year at some point. I think that once he's ready to go, Cassel goes to the bench and becomes an expensive back up. Of course the Pats are cocky enough to let him just test free agency! It's a real tough call.

[Maxman]

I'd be shocked if Brady doesn't play next year at some point. I think that once he's ready to go, Cassel goes to the bench and becomes an expensive back up. Of course the Pats are cocky enough to let him just test free agency! It's a real tough call.

It is a tough call. What would you do if you were me even though you are not?

[Silversword55]

Yeah, we should go get Cassell, regardless of what Favre does next year. He's proven himself as an NFL starter.

[Jets337]

It is a tough call. What would you do if you were me even though you are not?

I'd probably drop him. Won't play much for Pats. If he goes elsewhere, you run the risk of him being another Scott Mitchell. Got the big payday and was never heard from again.

[Greenbaumenom]

Dear Front Office,

Please don't sign Rob Johnson Jr.

Signed,
New York Jets Fans

[PatsFanTx]

I'd probably drop him. Won't play much for Pats. If he goes elsewhere, you run the risk of him being another Scott Mitchell. Got the big payday and was never heard from again.

That is an excellent football post. You really seem to know the game. With Brady coming back Matt will have no fantasy football value next year.

[Jets337]

That is an excellent football post. You really seem to know the game. With Brady coming back Matt will have no fantasy football value next year.

Won't get baited into a give and take with clearly superior opponent.:rolleyes: Just ask you to look beyond your vaunted Pats. The NFL landscape is littered with one hit wonders. Scott Mitchell, Matt Schaub, our beloved Glen Foley. Matt Cassel has done a pretty masterful job within a very well defined Patriot system. Can he rescue a franchise? Someone will expect him to. Is the true Cassel the guy throwing for 400 plus yards, or the dud who was clueless against the Steelers?

[JetsNyanks]

Dear front office,
Are we going to sign this guy or what? Favre is nice but he is old. Don't let yesterdays game mislead you, Cassell is the real deal.

He is a winner. Make this happen.

Thanks,
Max

From what iv'e heard, the pats are gonna franchise tag him to push him away from us and the vikes!

[KJ4NYJ]

Cassel's gonna command too much money and I don't trust thats he's the real deal yet. Look at what that offense did last year, most QBs will succeed there. The way his deep balls look, he's one shoulder injury away from being Chad Pennington. Plus, the place the Pats will let him go to is the Jets.

How about going for McNabb if Favre retires? Philly fans are nuts if they want to boo a QB like that out of town, I'll take him here anyday.

[twombles62]

I hope we don't take a shot on him. I can just see him turning out to be junk at another team. I still think there are many better quarterbacks that we could have through trades or the draft and an ex patsie... no thanks :p

[SackDancer99]

Cassel is a product of the Pats system. He wouldn't be much help for the Jets. Don't sign him.

[jayndsun]

yeha Cassell is playing with two pro-bowl receivers .. we have to remember that.. lets see how he finished out the season.. I wouldn't want us signing another Scott Mitchell for sure..

[DomUK]

i'm still undecided about cassell,
one game hes throwing 400+ yards, another game he looks like hes never held a football before. we're gonna have to gamble though, if we don't get him this year and he develops into an awesome player we won't have a chance to get near him. if we take him an he flops Jets look stupid.

[Grogan]

i'm still undecided about cassell,
one game hes throwing 400+ yards, another game he looks like hes never held a football before. we're gonna have to gamble though, if we don't get him this year and he develops into an awesome player we won't have a chance to get near him. if we take him an he flops Jets look stupid.


I've got news for you, there are maybe 4 or 5 true Super star qbs in the NFL and even they can't over come a team that dosen't have the players to compete. Cassel has all the physical skills to be a very good QB, but he's not going to change a team like the Lions. It's real simple if Cassel goes to a team with decent talent he'll do very well, if not he won't.

[DomUK]

I've got news for you, there are maybe 4 or 5 true Super star qbs in the NFL and even they can't over come a team that dosen't have the players to compete. Cassel has all the physical skills to be a very good QB, but he's not going to change a team like the Lions. It's real simple if Cassel goes to a team with decent talent he'll do very well, if not he won't.

yeah obviously mate, i'm talking about if he stays at Pats or if we manage to get him. Either way he is with a very competent team, if he succeeds at New England he has the abilty to do so at New York

[Grogan]

yeah obviously mate, i'm talking about if he stays at Pats or if we manage to get him. Either way he is with a very competent team, if he succeeds at New England he has the abilty to do so at New York

I think how he finishes the season will decide if the Jets even get a shot at him. If he plays well and there is a big market for him then the Pats will Franchise him and trade him for a 1st and 3rd, and it won't be to the Jets. If he doesn't play well then they may just let him go. He's done alot good so far, but in my mind he has to do a little more to prove he's worth a 1st round pick.

[NathJones]

I think how he finishes the season will decide if the Jets even get a shot at him. If he plays well and there is a big market for him then the Pats will Franchise him and trade him for a 1st and 3rd, and it won't be to the Jets. If he doesn't play well then they may just let him go. He's done alot good so far, but in my mind he has to do a little more to prove he's worth a 1st round pick.


i agree 100% agree with this, i'd add more but really cant think of a better way to put it.

[Grogan]

Dear Front Office,

Please don't sign Rob Johnson Jr.

Signed,
New York Jets Fans

rob Johnson did nothing compared to what Cassel has done, but don't worry, the Jets won't get a shot at him anyway.

[brettfan91]

Agreed, Matt Cassel might do well under BB offense, but elsewhere he might become the next Art Schlichter or Ryan Leaf

[Beaubeano]

Lets get Michael Vick. He'll work well for the Jets

[Scooter]

Dear front office,
Are we going to sign this guy or what? Favre is nice but he is old. Don't let yesterdays game mislead you, Cassell is the real deal.

He is a winner. Make this happen.

Thanks,
Max

Dear Max,

Are you nuts? We need ANOTHER New England retread? If it's not Parcells, it's Martin or Ty Law or Otis "Revolving Door" Smith.

We'll make our improvements in the draft. Besides, do you remember Scott Mitchell? Everyone went "ga ga" for him when his stepped in for Miami and he went to Detroit on those laurels. He was a 1 year wonder. Don't let a backup having quick success fool you, he's not another Tom Brady.

Sincerely,
The Entire Jets FO.

[Scooter]

yeha Cassell is playing with two pro-bowl receivers .. we have to remember that.. lets see how he finished out the season.. I wouldn't want us signing another Scott Mitchell for sure..

AMEN! (I should have read this first!)

[Scooter]

QB draft will be deep next year. We could make a deal and get a franchise QB to build around or even have one fall to us late in 1st round.

[The Green Titan]

Scooter, I'm suprised you didn't comment on the Michael Vick suggestion.

[Scooter]

Scooter, I'm suprised you didn't comment on the Michael Vick suggestion.

...letting sleeping dogs lie.

[capo007]

grab him as soon as hes available!!!

[Timbit]

I really think Cassell has benefited a ton from the Pats system.

He could be a good QB on another team, but he's too much of a risk to warrant a hefty contract in my opinion.

[Silversword55]

I really think Cassell has benefited a ton from the Pats system.

He could be a good QB on another team, but he's too much of a risk to warrant a hefty contract in my opinion.

LEt's give him a low paying contract, let him earn the money

[VincenzoGreenhead]

Yes, I agree. Let's sign him quickly, so that we can ruin his career before he turns into a perennial all-pro against us in our own division.

I'll compile and post a list of other players our coaching staff needs to destroy.

[SackExchange]

I think he will be franchised by New England. Otherwsie Tanny better snap him right up. He is a keeper.

I have him in 9 of my 13 fantasy leagues.

:)
They're definitely going to franchise him and sign him to a big deal, then they will trade him so that they determine where he goes... won't be the Jets.

[Greenbaumenom]

I originally didn't buy into the hype, but the past few weeks, he won me over. If we got him, I would be incredibly happy.

[Grogan]

Dear Max,

Are you nuts? We need ANOTHER New England retread? If it's not Parcells, it's Martin or Ty Law or Otis "Revolving Door" Smith.

We'll make our improvements in the draft. Besides, do you remember Scott Mitchell? Everyone went "ga ga" for him when his stepped in for Miami and he went to Detroit on those laurels. He was a 1 year wonder. Don't let a backup having quick success fool you, he's not another Tom Brady.

Sincerely,
The Entire Jets FO.

Dear Scooter,

Do you know what your talking about? "Retread"???? How is a 26 year old QB that has been groomed behind one of the best QB's to ever play the game for 3 years, and in one of the most complicated offensive systems in the NFL a "retread"? How is a kid that has stepped into the shoes of a Legend, having not played a single game since Highschool, and has been one of the best QB's in the League this season a retread? You clearly don't understand football or the position of QB.

Sincerely,
Grogan and the rest of the fooball watching world.

[NathJones]

i'd take MC to be honest, thou personally i think it might be time after Favre to give Ratliff a shot, he's bound to have learned alot from Brett being there so why not.

[Lost73]

i'd take MC to be honest, thou personally i think it might be time after Favre to give Ratliff a shot, he's bound to have learned alot from Brett being there so why not.

I agree about seeing what we have in Ratliff, he did look really good this preseason but if we can get Cassell I think you have to try for him.

I don't think the Pats will pay big bucks for him cause they already have the best Qb in the league and I think gave him a few bucks. Not that Bill doesn't hate us but he is to smart to put that much money in one spot. Remember "THE DEVIL" was right when he said Mangini was not ready but will be some day. I'm sure we will be Mangini's Cleveland and he'll come back to kill us some day too!

[u359200]

Cower!!!

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jet nation!!!

lets rise!!! if we all show that we want Bill Cower here it may make a difference. Bill loves the jets. He says al the time the talent we have. THE JETS WIN BECAUSE OF THERE TALENT AND LOSE BECASUE OF THERE COACHING. 7 PRO BOWLERS AND WE CANT BE THE WORST TEAMS IN THE NFL?!!! RAIDERS,49'S,SEAHAWKS,DENVER???
WE BEAT THE PATS AND TITANS BECASUE WE HAD FIRE AND MANGINI PUT IT OUT TO STAY EVEN KEEL.

LETS PETITION TO HAVE COWER AS NEXT YEARS HEAD COACH!!!!
IM NOT KIDDING!!! ENOUGH ALREADY! WE HAVE A SUPER BOWL TEAM

[Grogan]

Cower!!!

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jet nation!!!

lets rise!!! if we all show that we want Bill Cower here it may make a difference. Bill loves the jets. He says al the time the talent we have. THE JETS WIN BECAUSE OF THERE TALENT AND LOSE BECASUE OF THERE COACHING. 7 PRO BOWLERS AND WE CANT BE THE WORST TEAMS IN THE NFL?!!! RAIDERS,49'S,SEAHAWKS,DENVER???
WE BEAT THE PATS AND TITANS BECASUE WE HAD FIRE AND MANGINI PUT IT OUT TO STAY EVEN KEEL.

LETS PETITION TO HAVE COWER AS NEXT YEARS HEAD COACH!!!!
IM NOT KIDDING!!! ENOUGH ALREADY! WE HAVE A SUPER BOWL TEAM

:eek::D:D Are you joking??? A Super Bowl team doesn't sit at 8-3 with a two game lead on the divsion "with tie breakers", then go 1-3 against the bottom feeders of the league.

[GaTTi117]

He's been franchised already

[PatsFanInAz]

Favre has that "I can't wait until this game is over" look in his eyes. Why the did you guys want him in the first place? Yes he's a HF'er, but come on. He's washed up. That was obvious in his pathetic play for GB in overtime of the NFC Champ game vs Gmen.

Maybe the Pats can draft and train a QB for the Jets. Show how it's done.

[ALJetsFan]

The Jets already have a good QB---and he's gonna get the chance to prove it in training camp. The sad part...Clemens is not the man.

[GaTTi117]

I'm definitely curious to see hot Ratliff will perform this year, I think he looked great last year and showed a lot of promise so we'll see. I don't care what anyone says though, if Tebow is there at #16 when we pick he is a must take.

[The Green Titan]

Maybe the Pats can draft and train a QB for the Jets. Show how it's done.

That sounds funny right now doesnt it. You've probably convinced yourself that your elimination from the playoffs was a once off thing. Now that's funnier.

[Jets337]

I'm definitely curious to see hot Ratliff will perform this year, I think he looked great last year and showed a lot of promise so we'll see. I don't care what anyone says though, if Tebow is there at #16 when we pick he is a must take.

I think we pick 17th.

[sbroller]

We do pick 17th, so Teebow probably will go 16 knowing our first pick in the draft history.

[GaTTi117]

I think we pick 17th.

We do pick 17th, so Teebow probably will go 16 knowing our first pick in the draft history.


From what I understand since san diego won we get bumped up to 16th.

[JPjetFan]

Dear front office,
Are we going to sign this guy or what? Favre is nice but he is old. Don't let yesterdays game mislead you, Cassell is the real deal.

He is a winner. Make this happen.

Thanks,
Max


Not happening...ever.

[The Green Titan]

From what I understand since san diego won we get bumped up to 16th.

Nope, San Diego has to win the Super Bowl for us to get bumped to 16. Ha!

[NapS33]

Don't think Cassell is a good fit for the Jets. Remember he's beem in NE for a few years and knows the offense - he just needed some playing time. Personally, I'd rather see the Jets draft a QB and take a good look at Ainge. It really depends on who the new coach is.

[GaTTi117]

ainge sux...

[Scooter]

Dear front office,
Are we going to sign this guy or what? Favre is nice but he is old. Don't let yesterdays game mislead you, Cassell is the real deal.

He is a winner. Make this happen.

Thanks,
Max


Dear Max Man,
Do you think New England is going to help us?
They're going to franchise tag him, keep Tom Brady and stick the screws to us like they always do because we're a mess.
Thanks,
Jets Front Office

[Jetschris]

I have just heard on the NFL Network that the Pats have failed to wrap up the negations to keep Matt Cassel. I know he has his critics on this blog and elsewhere, but this is my argument.

I now live in New Hampshire, surrounded by Patriots Fans (and, boy were that miserable just not making the playoffs:D he, he, he,) so, unfortunately I get to see every Patriots game, every week:mad:. I saw Matt Cassel improve drastically every game. At first, I was happy to hear about Tom Brady being out for the season, then, this Cassel SOB got better and better so quickly it was scary. He wants to win so badly, you can see it in his play, you can see it in his eyes and you can hear it in his voice during interviews. Now, I know he is surrounded by the highest caliber RBs and WRs (Wes Welker, Randy Moss), and that alone would make any player look great, however, he didn't throw to those guys at first because they were completely covered. Teams thought they finally had a break with a new kid in, and they soon found out this kid could run, he could run fast and make people miss. Again, I was mad:mad:.

I believe he is a great quarterback now. He does not require any more development, just has to learn systems. Actually, I thought for sure, the way Woody has been spending money, he was going to be a Jet next season. He also comes from a family of professional athletes. His father and brother, have pitched and still pitch in the baseball majors. Matt has a great arm as well.

Put your prejudices and animosities aside. If he becomes available, we should consider this acquisition very seriously.

[Grogan]

I have just heard on the NFL Network that the Pats have failed to wrap up the negations to keep Matt Cassel. I know he has his critics on this blog and elsewhere, but this is my argument.

I now live in New Hampshire, surrounded by Patriots Fans (and, boy were that miserable just not making the playoffs:D he, he, he,) so, unfortunately I get to see every Patriots game, every week:mad:. I saw Matt Cassel improve drastically every game. At first, I was happy to hear about Tom Brady being out for the season, then, this Cassel SOB got better and better so quickly it was scary. He wants to win so badly, you can see it in his play, you can see it in his eyes and you can hear it in his voice during interviews. Now, I know he is surrounded by the highest caliber RBs and WRs (Wes Welker, Randy Moss), and that alone would make any player look great, however, he didn't throw to those guys at first because they were completely covered. Teams thought they finally had a break with a new kid in, and they soon found out this kid could run, he could run fast and make people miss. Again, I was mad:mad:.

I believe he is a great quarterback now. He does not require any more development, just has to learn systems. Actually, I thought for sure, the way Woody has been spending money, he was going to be a Jet next season. He also comes from a family of professional athletes. His father and brother, have pitched and still pitch in the baseball majors. Matt has a great arm as well.

Put your prejudices and animosities aside. If he becomes available, we should consider this acquisition very seriously.


Do you really belive the Patriots will just let Matt Cassel hit the FA market?

[SackExchange]

Do you really belive the Patriots will just let Matt Cassel hit the FA market?
I doubt they want him to, but if there's a real prospect that Brady's coming back next year or even the year after, why would Cassell want to sign a Free Agent contract with them? It's in his best interest to leave. My guess is that they convince him to sign a deal with a trade already in place, and that team will be in the NFC, or a t the very least, out of the AFC East.

[Jetschris]

I doubt they want him to, but if there's a real prospect that Brady's coming back next year or even the year after, why would Cassell want to sign a Free Agent contract with them? It's in his best interest to leave. My guess is that they convince him to sign a deal with a trade already in place, and that team will be in the NFC, or a t the very least, out of the AFC East.

They have been hinting that he may come to the Jets. I know we are willing to pay. This is just what I am hearing on the NFL network and in interviews with him, here in N.E. I didn't get this from my crystal ball.:cool:

[SackExchange]

They have been hinting that he may come to the Jets. I know we are willing to pay. This is just what I am hearing on the NFL network and in interviews with him, here in N.E. I didn't get this from my crystal ball.:cool:
Is there anyone else in NE that they need to use their franchise tag on?

[Jetschris]

Is there anyone else in NE that they need to use their franchise tag on?

Unfortunately, not that I have heard mentioned, no.

[SackExchange]

Unfortunately, not that I have heard mentioned, no.
That's the problem... I don't think the Jets really would go after him anyway, not in their current situation. I think it's Favre, Garcia, and Leftwich, in that order, is the direction they're going. Cassell may very well become a great QB, but he's another guy you invest in for the future (if you think he's got potential to be really good and didn't just succeed in a great offense, dumbed down to his ability.) I don't think you put him in there with COtchery and Coles and expect he goes 11-5 with the Jets. Regardless, I don't see how there's any way NE lets him go to the Jets. It would be a mistake on their part.

[Jetschris]

That's the problem... I don't think the Jets really would go after him anyway, not in their current situation. I think it's Favre, Garcia, and Leftwich, in that order, is the direction they're going. Cassell may very well become a great QB, but he's another guy you invest in for the future (if you think he's got potential to be really good and didn't just succeed in a great offense, dumbed down to his ability.) I don't think you put him in there with COtchery and Coles and expect he goes 11-5 with the Jets. Regardless, I don't see how there's any way NE lets him go to the Jets. It would be a mistake on their part.

The Pats have developed this kid great. They won 11 games last season. He broke a QB running record in his first two games ( running for his life maybe:D). My opinion is, he can start now. He is not a rookie, and now he has experience. You are right about Favre, Garcia, and Leftwich being the best choices for the right reasons, I don't think there is much of a gamble with MC either. I look forward to see what happens.

[SackExchange]

The Pats have developed this kid great. They won 11 games last season. He broke a QB running record in his first two games ( running for his life maybe:D). My opinion is, he can start now. He is not a rookie, and now he has experience. You are right about Favre, Garcia, and Leftwich being the best choices for the right reasons, I don't think there is much of a gamble with MC either. I look forward to see what happens.
Oh, I definitely think he's a starter, but I also think he's a guy you want to develop with a rebuilding team... just as long as they don't have a wide reciever because we all know you shouldn't draft or sign a wide reciever unless your franchise QB is already in place.

[Greenbaumenom]

Hey guys, I just did a huge write up on my site about Matt Cassel and his stats against good teams. Please check it out. But to paraphrase from it for the sake of these boards I pulled the Patriots record against playoff teams (2-4) and his stats against top defense and great teams. Actually, this showed me how easy their schedule was this year, pretty cake. Anyways, here is something else I noticed.

Week 6 @ San Diego: 22 of 28 for 203 yds, 0 TDs, 1 INT

Week 9 @ Indy: 25 of 34 for 204 yds, 0 TDs, 1 INT

Week 13 against Pittsburgh: 19 of 39 for 169 yards, o TD, 2 INT

Just saying. If you have time, check out the rest on the site and let me know what you think.

[SackExchange]

He wouldn't which leads me to my next point. I don't want to call anyone a liar but I saw nothing on the NFL Network at all, and no one is reporting that the Patriots and Cassel where even talking about a new deal.:rolleyes: Further more the Patriots don't need to get him to sign a new deal in order to trade him, all they have to do is Franchise him. I'm basically calling BS on the thread starter, it would make no sense for Cassel or the Patriots to be working on a new contract. The only way this would make any sense is if the Patriots new Brady wasn't playing in 09. Now since no one is reporting this anywhere, and the only source is a thread starter that I've yet to see post one single thing based on fact, I call BS. ;)
If they franchise him they have to sign him to a one year contract in the 13 to 14 million dollar range. That is why they would really need to do a sign and trade because the Pats have too many problems on Defense to waste 14 million on a second QB.

[SackExchange]

The posturing has begun with Cassel. In this article he says he's willing to back up Brady... of course no mention of money... He's willing to do it at 5 years 50 million, half gauranteed...

http://www.realgmfootball.com/src_wiretap_archives/10666/20090123/matt_cassel_oks_backup_plan/

[jetsknicks1]

How do I get to your blog?

[The Green Titan]

Not to rain on your parade but Matt Cassel did an interview in the last couple of days where he strongly emphasized the fact that he understands that Tom Brady is the starting QB for the New England Patriots. He said he wouldn't expect it to be any other way. He described Brady as being responsible for the New England Patriots and that Brady is the franchise. He expects to take second seat to Brady when he returns and would expect nothing less. He explained that he would not have a problem with that because he has so much respect for Brady. Matt Cassel sounds like a guy who's happy to stay where he is, even as a second string. We're not getting him either way. The Jets are more interested in Matt Leinart than they are Matt Cassel and I'm glad. No more Patriot hand me downs. We've finally moved away from that with the hiring of Rex Ryan.

[Grogan]

If they franchise him they have to sign him to a one year contract in the 13 to 14 million dollar range. That is why they would really need to do a sign and trade because the Pats have too many problems on Defense to waste 14 million on a second QB.

That's not exactly correct, the franchise tag can be removed any time before the June deadline without paying him anything. They can tag him and trade him any time before that, the only down side, is that by NFL rule, they have to have the cap space for him while he's tagged,so it would be difficult to make any other big FA moves.

[SackExchange]

Not to rain on your parade but Matt Cassel did an interview in the last couple of days where he strongly emphasized the fact that he understands that Tom Brady is the starting QB for the New England Patriots. He said he wouldn't expect it to be any other way. He described Brady as being responsible for the New England Patriots and that Brady is the franchise. He expects to take second seat to Brady when he returns and would expect nothing less. He explained that he would not have a problem with that because he has so much respect for Brady. Matt Cassel sounds like a guy who's happy to stay where he is, even as a second string. We're not getting him either way. The Jets are more interested in Matt Leinart than they are Matt Cassel and I'm glad. No more Patriot hand me downs. We've finally moved away from that with the hiring of Rex Ryan.
I think you're taking that statement to much at face value Titan. He has to say that about Brady, it is true and also politically correct. However, it doesn't mean he's willing to take less money to be Brady's back up. He'll back up Brady, but he still wants the money he commands. This may be the only time in his life he has the oppurtunity to sign a big deal. In a roundabout way, he's saying he's not going to be a Patriot. There's no way the Patriots sign him for 14 million, waste all their cap space, and let him sit on the bench.

That said, I don't think he's the guy for the Jets.

[SackExchange]

That's not exactly correct, the franchise tag can be removed any time before the June deadline without paying him anything. They can tag him and trade him any time before that, the only down side, is that by NFL rule, they have to have the cap space for him while he's tagged,so it would be difficult to make any other big FA moves.
We're arguing over semantics, if they tag him they have to trade him, but he has to be signed for the trade to happen... thus sign and trade. The more I think about it, they might have to let him go somewhere else, and not waste their time and money.

[The Green Titan]

There are players that aren't driven only by money. Take Tim Tebow for example. Could have turned pro. Certainly has done enough in college that he doesn't have to prove anything else on the field. Would have been a high draft pick. I'm not sure I'm taking it at face value. He seemed sincere! But you could be right. Either way, we're not gettin the guy!

[Greenbaumenom]

I'm not saying anything about him, he seems like a great guy actually. But what I am saying is that all I read are Jets fans that want him and will trade a 1st rounder and give him tons of money. I think we need to not get crazy over every QB who does well, especially in Belicheck's system. Not taking a shot at the guy, I just dont think he is right for the Jets, maybe I'm wrong. I wrote a lot more on the site.

[Greenbaumenom]

How do I get to your blog?

The blog moved and is now a full blown site. www.adamandthejets.com

Thanks.

Adam

[The Green Titan]

The posturing has begun with Cassel. In this article he says he's willing to back up Brady... of course no mention of money... He's willing to do it at 5 years 50 million, half gauranteed...

http://www.realgmfootball.com/src_wiretap_archives/10666/20090123/matt_cassel_oks_backup_plan/

See I told you, but I still could be wrong and I humbly accept that :-)

[Jetschris]

Not to rain on your parade but Matt Cassel did an interview in the last couple of days where he strongly emphasized the fact that he understands that Tom Brady is the starting QB for the New England Patriots. He said he wouldn't expect it to be any other way. He described Brady as being responsible for the New England Patriots and that Brady is the franchise. He expects to take second seat to Brady when he returns and would expect nothing less. He explained that he would not have a problem with that because he has so much respect for Brady. Matt Cassel sounds like a guy who's happy to stay where he is, even as a second string. We're not getting him either way. The Jets are more interested in Matt Leinart than they are Matt Cassel and I'm glad. No more Patriot hand me downs. We've finally moved away from that with the hiring of Rex Ryan.

Curtis Martin was a pat before a jet

[Greenbaumenom]

Curtis Martin was a pat before a jet

Excellent point.

[Jets337]

Excellent point.

And he blossomed with the Jets. Unlike Favre, or the potential Ray Lewis scenario, Martin came to us with his best years ahead of him. When he goes to the HOF he will go in as a Jet. We'll never see a retired #4 jersey at the new stadium.

[DomUK]

did anyone see the NFLTA interview he did - Jamie Dukes was well harsh about him :P

[Jetschris]

did anyone see the NFLTA interview he did - Jamie Dukes was well harsh about him :P

Jamie Dukes also asked him, how he thinks he will do next season on the Jets.

[DomUK]

yeah right at the end, i was laughing

Eisen was kinda off at him

[SackExchange]

Once again you must be getting that special broadcast of the NFL Network that only you get. There have been no reports of the Patriots and Cassel working on a new deal. You may want to check out ESPN today where Cassel himself says there have been no contract talks with the Patriots. Yet you start a thread saying the Patriots have failed in their attempt to get a deal done with Cassel ??? You are a liar, I call BS on your made up thread, and your so called Football Knowledge. :rolleyes:
I don't think you were talking to me... but I think there is some correspondece via the media going on with Pats and Cassel

[Scooter]

I just heard Matt Cassel is available, but he wants a long term relationship.
He wants a girl, just like the girl that married dear old dad

...and ANY player in the N.F.L. is available for the right price.

[Jetschris]

I just heard Matt Cassel is available, but he wants a long term relationship.
He wants a girl, just like the girl that married dear old day.

...and ANY player in the N.F.L. is available for the right price.

I meant no F. tag Ms. Cassel

[Scooter]

http://sports.rightpundits.com/wp-content/photos/Lauren_Killian_3.jpghttp://usctrojans.cstv.com/sports/w-volley/mtt/killian_lauren00.html

[Scooter]

http://sports.rightpundits.com/wp-content/photos/Lauren_Killian_3.jpg

Why do I know just Bush said something lewd here?

[gangreen331]

I would to see him as a jet, but i cant see belechik trading him to the afc east i think hes worth a 3rd round pick maybe even the browns derek anderson nad i doubt that too.

[Scooter]

I would to see him as a jet, but i cant see belechik trading him to the afc east i think hes worth a 3rd round pick maybe even the browns derek anderson nad i doubt that too.

Rookies!
Come here, I want to show you this goal post.

[Grogan]

I have just heard on the NFL Network that the Pats have failed to wrap up the negations to keep Matt Cassel. I know he has his critics on this blog and elsewhere, but this is my argument.

I now live in New Hampshire, surrounded by Patriots Fans (and, boy were that miserable just not making the playoffs:D he, he, he,) so, unfortunately I get to see every Patriots game, every week:mad:. I saw Matt Cassel improve drastically every game. At first, I was happy to hear about Tom Brady being out for the season, then, this Cassel SOB got better and better so quickly it was scary. He wants to win so badly, you can see it in his play, you can see it in his eyes and you can hear it in his voice during interviews. Now, I know he is surrounded by the highest caliber RBs and WRs (Wes Welker, Randy Moss), and that alone would make any player look great, however, he didn't throw to those guys at first because they were completely covered. Teams thought they finally had a break with a new kid in, and they soon found out this kid could run, he could run fast and make people miss. Again, I was mad:mad:.

I believe he is a great quarterback now. He does not require any more development, just has to learn systems. Actually, I thought for sure, the way Woody has been spending money, he was going to be a Jet next season. He also comes from a family of professional athletes. His father and brother, have pitched and still pitch in the baseball majors. Matt has a great arm as well.

Put your prejudices and animosities aside. If he becomes available, we should consider this acquisition very seriously.

ESPN.com -01-24-09 Matt Cassel QUOTE "There has been no contact between the Patriots and my Agent or myself regarding a new contract, I don't know what their plans are and am content to let things unfold and see where they go."

So much for your NFL Network report.

[Tonybrooklyn]

I have just heard on the NFL Network that the Pats have failed to wrap up the negations to keep Matt Cassel. I know he has his critics on this blog and elsewhere, but this is my argument.

I now live in New Hampshire, surrounded by Patriots Fans (and, boy were that miserable just not making the playoffs:D he, he, he,) so, unfortunately I get to see every Patriots game, every week:mad:. I saw Matt Cassel improve drastically every game. At first, I was happy to hear about Tom Brady being out for the season, then, this Cassel SOB got better and better so quickly it was scary. He wants to win so badly, you can see it in his play, you can see it in his eyes and you can hear it in his voice during interviews. Now, I know he is surrounded by the highest caliber RBs and WRs (Wes Welker, Randy Moss), and that alone would make any player look great, however, he didn't throw to those guys at first because they were completely covered. Teams thought they finally had a break with a new kid in, and they soon found out this kid could run, he could run fast and make people miss. Again, I was mad:mad:.

I believe he is a great quarterback now. He does not require any more development, just has to learn systems. Actually, I thought for sure, the way Woody has been spending money, he was going to be a Jet next season. He also comes from a family of professional athletes. His father and brother, have pitched and still pitch in the baseball majors. Matt has a great arm as well.

Put your prejudices and animosities aside. If he becomes available, we should consider this acquisition very seriously.


He would be a tremendous acquisition. The kid made tremendous progress at New England. No one hates the Pats more than me. What a way to get even with belicheat and that whole sh*t for brains organization. With a quarterback like Cassel and the changes being made by our new coach. I would venture to say it would be a very good year.

[Scooter]

ESPN.com -01-24-09 Matt Cassel QUOTE "There has been no contact between the Patriots and my Agent or myself regarding a new contract, I don't know what their plans are and am content to let things unfold and see where they go."

So much for your NFL Network report.


Season hasn't officially ended. I'm sure they'll all get together soon and work this out.
Cassell will be a Patriot AND so will Mrs. Brady.

[Jets337]

Season hasn't officially ended. I'm sure they'll all get together soon and work this out.
Cassell will be a Patriot AND so will Mrs. Brady.

At the very least, he will be franchised. then they will figure it out.

[Jetschris]

ESPN.com -01-24-09 Matt Cassel QUOTE "There has been no contact between the Patriots and my Agent or myself regarding a new contract, I don't know what their plans are and am content to let things unfold and see where they go."

So much for your NFL Network report.

Try all you want, but you are still just a rookie.

[The Green Titan]

Why wouldn't the Patriots franchise tag him though. There's an obvious dislike between the Patriots and Jets organization. They know we need a QB with experience, if not this year, then definitely next year. They know we'll go after him if he's not tagged. They have to be worried about the changes we are making with the addition of Rex Ryan. Everyone in our division has to be thinking that the Jets mean business. Would they really put themselves in that position. Plus you have to think about the possibility of a recurring injury situation with Brady, like we had year after year with Pennington. I just can't see them putting themselves in either of those two risky positions.

[Grogan]

Why wouldn't the Patriots franchise tag him though. There's an obvious dislike between the Patriots and Jets organization. They know we need a QB with experience, if not this year, then definitely next year. They know we'll go after him if he's not tagged. They have to be worried about the changes we are making with the addition of Rex Ryan. Everyone in our division has to be thinking that the Jets mean business. Would they really put themselves in that position. Plus you have to think about the possibility of a recurring injury situation with Brady, like we had year after year with Pennington. I just can't see them putting themselves in either of those two risky positions.

I don't think there is any question that the Patriots will Franchise him. There may be debate as to what they get in return, but considering he was a 7th round pick to begin with they will end up with alot more than that. Also, lets be honest, the jets sent 120 million last off season and still ended up 3rd in the AFC East, do you really anyone is worried about the Jets?

[Scooter]

Do you really anyone is worried about the Jets?

Yes.
Every fan here.

[JPjetFan]

I would to see him as a jet, but i cant see belechik trading him to the afc east i think hes worth a 3rd round pick maybe even the browns derek anderson nad i doubt that too.

Not after they franchise him...

[JPjetFan]

Yes.
Every fan here.


No, not really - after a while, you become numb to it.

[The Green Titan]

No, not really - after a while, you become numb to it.


I agree with that. I am numb to it. I've been at this for 17 years now. So either I'm numb to it like you said, or I look at this team like you look at family. You tend to put up with a lot more from family.

.

[Grogan]

And he blossomed with the Jets. Unlike Favre, or the potential Ray Lewis scenario, Martin came to us with his best years ahead of him. When he goes to the HOF he will go in as a Jet. We'll never see a retired #4 jersey at the new stadium.

Not so quick there bub, Martin won rookie of the year, and went to two pro-bowls plus a Super bowl with the Pats. I would say the flower was in full bloom well before he became a Jet. ;)

[Scooter]

Hey guys, I just did a huge write up on my site about Matt Cassel...
Just saying. If you have time, check out the rest on the site and let me know what you think.

Speculation on Matt Cassel isn't going to get me excited about another Jets blog.
Sorry.

[Scooter]

No, not really - after a while, you become numb to it.

That's true.
In a strange way wondering how they'll screw up next is sometimes fun!

[Scooter]

I agree with that. I am numb to it. I've been at this for 17 years now. So either I'm numb to it like you said, or I look at this team like you look at family. You tend to put up with a lot more from family.

.

I like the new signature...
But make the yellow text green. It's hard to read.

[The Green Titan]

I like the new signature...
But make the yellow text green. It's hard to read.

A color blind dinosaur...hahahahahaha

[Grogan]

Hey guys, I just did a huge write up on my site about Matt Cassel and his stats against good teams. Please check it out. But to paraphrase from it for the sake of these boards I pulled the Patriots record against playoff teams (2-4) and his stats against top defense and great teams. Actually, this showed me how easy their schedule was this year, pretty cake. Anyways, here is something else I noticed.

Week 6 @ San Diego: 22 of 28 for 203 yds, 0 TDs, 1 INT

Week 9 @ Indy: 25 of 34 for 204 yds, 0 TDs, 1 INT

Week 13 against Pittsburgh: 19 of 39 for 169 yards, o TD, 2 INT

Just saying. If you have time, check out the rest on the site and let me know what you think.


So what exactly are you trying to prove with this, that Cassel sucks? Did you actually see these games, or are you trying to just project off of game stats? I saw every snap of every game and can tell you Cassel had an awful Chargers game, but so did the rest of the team, he played great in Indy and had Gaffeny drop a wide open TD for the win, as well as Moss tip a ball for an Int while in scoring range. Not to mention a personal foul on the TE under two minutes while in scoring range that took the Pats out of field goal range. Pitt, was 10-10 at the half, in a driving rain storm and Cassel had two tipped Ints by both Gaffeny and Moss, then had Welker cough up the ball after a catch and run. Maybe it's just Jets fan's blind hatred of all things Patriots that make them try so hard to discredit what this kid did, but the reality is Cassel was nothing short of phenomenal this year. The kid sat on the bench for 7 years not starting a single game and comes into the pressure situation of replacing a Hall of Fame qb and excells, and Jets fans do everything they can dissmiss it???:rolleyes: Please, I don't know how Cassel will do on another team,(I mean does anyone belive we would have heard of Joe Montana had he been drafted by the Lions???), but I do know this, Cassel can make every throw on the field, can move in the pocket well, scramble when needed, reads defenses well, and can be coached. On top of that he seems to be both physically and mentally tough dealing with the early season beatings defenses gave him as well as the personal tragedy of losing his father during the season. What more could you ask of a QB, and what more could you look for in a QB????

[Jetschris]

What are you doing watching every snap of every Patriots game anyway?

[Grogan]

What are you doing watching every snap of every Patriots game anyway?

My screen name is "Grogan", if your older than 17 you should be able to figure it out. ;)

[Jetschris]

why do you come here then?

[Jetschris]

If you want to read this blog or make entries, your view are always welcomed. but when you come in here and insult every Jets fan on the site with nonsense basically, that's where your welcome ends. Try the Bills blog, or the Miami blog, they are your "hated" rivals also. Oh yea, Colts and Pitts both beat you too, try their blogs.

I myself was a Jet fan for one game and still can't get the stink off me. It's an awful thing to be sentenced to football based purely on the geography of your birth.

If this kind of entry is because of 'hated rivals', then you should grow up. If it just because that's the kind of person you are, then take it somewhere else. Reading your posts one after another shows a trend. The only threads you share in was mine for awhile, then when you were getting deleted in there, you came to another Matt Cassel room only. I doubt you are here to chat about football and, from now on, if you don't you will be deleted. Discuss subjects with Sackexchange all you want(you won't win against him anyway) or anyone else and your entries won't be bothered.

[The Green Titan]

For those of you out there with man crushes on the lead actor in "The Replacements", Matt Cassel, start your engines. Today is the start of the two week period that the New England Patriots have to Franchise Tag their baby. So how much of a raise will this miracle of football get? How about a Burger King value size raise of $520,000 to $14.65 million. Where did we go wrong in high school.


(Side note: Anyone know why the NFL introduced the franchise tag process - to give a team more time to negotiate a long-term contract with a player, not to prevent him from going to the Jets)

[Grogan]

For those of you out there with man crushes on the lead actor in "The Replacements", Matt Cassel, start your engines. Today is the start of the two week period that the New England Patriots have to Franchise Tag their baby. So how much of a raise will this miracle of football get? How about a Burger King value size raise of $520,000 to $14.65 million. Where did we go wrong in high school.


(Side note: Anyone know why the NFL introduced the franchise tag process - to give a team more time to negotiate a long-term contract with a player, not to prevent him from going to the Jets)

Wrong?, I wouldn't say wrong, but not having talent to play QB in the NFL would be a good place to start. ;)

As for the Franchise tag, please tell me your not going to cry about the Patriots use of the tag to protect a player they invested in and developed? Did the Jets or any other team draft Cassel in the 7th round and groom him over 4 years to to become a starting QB in the NFL? Why shouldn't they get to protect their investment? I guess the next thing your going to tell me is that if the Jets developed a player they wouldn't use the Franchise tag to protect their investment, they would just let him leave for nothing wouldn't they? :rolleyes:

[The Green Titan]

Wrong?, I wouldn't say wrong, but not having talent to play QB in the NFL would be a good place to start. ;)

As for the Franchise tag, please tell me your not going to cry about the Patriots use of the tag to protect a player they invested in and developed? Did the Jets or any other team draft Cassel in the 7th round and groom him over 4 years to to become a starting QB in the NFL? Why shouldn't they get to protect their investment? I guess the next thing your going to tell me is that if the Jets developed a player they wouldn't use the Franchise tag to protect their investment, they would just let him leave for nothing wouldn't they? :rolleyes:

I really wish you hadn't responded with "tell me your not going to cry" but if that's how you'd like to communicate with people, so be it. So to my point, there are two facts contained in my statement. One is the reason that the franchise tag was introduced by the NFL. Look it up, it's an accurate description for its intent. The second fact contained in my statement is that the Patriots are franchise tagging him to keep him from going to the Jets, and quite possibly to other teams, but because I am a Jet fan, I'm only concerned with it's affect from a Jets perspective (wht would I care about the affect that it has on any other team). Now I would ask you to show me where I was crying about it or where I said I disagreed with it. Because I don't.

[Grogan]

I really wish you hadn't responded with "tell me your not going to cry" but if that's how you'd like to communicate with people, so be it. So to my point, there are two facts contained in my statement. One is the reason that the franchise tag was introduced by the NFL. Look it up, it's an accurate description for its intent. The second fact contained in my statement is that the Patriots are franchise tagging him to keep him from going to the Jets, and quite possibly to other teams, but because I am a Jet fan, I'm only concerned with it's affect from a Jets perspective (wht would I care about the affect that it has on any other team). Now I would ask you to show me where I was crying about it or where I said I disagreed with it. Because I don't.

Well I'm sorry you took exception with the the "turn of phrase" I used, but if not "crying" then most certinly complaining about the the way the Patriots are using the Tag. I'm just pointing out the inequities of your complaint. Did the Jets not use the Franchise tag on John Abraham to insure they protected their investment, controlled where he was traded, and got good value for him? Hey if you want to say the Pats are not using the Franchise tag in good faith then count your own team just as guilty. ;)

[The Green Titan]

Well I'm sorry you took exception with the the "turn of phrase" I used, but if not "crying" then most certainly complaining about the the way the Patriots are using the Tag. I'm just pointing out the inequities of your complaint. Did the Jets not use the Franchise tag on John Abraham to insure they protected their investment, controlled where he was traded, and got good value for him? Hey if you want to say the Pats are not using the Franchise tag in good faith then count your own team just as guilty. ;)

Actually I didn't complain either. I stated why the franchise tag is being used, it's a reality, and I agree with them. How do you came to these conclusions from my post, I'll never understand. I even told you I agreed with the Patriots in my second post. Here, I'll quote it for you so you can see it again:

...I would ask you to show me where I was crying about it or where I said I disagreed with it. Because I don't.

You see the "Because I don't" part of my statement. Even after writing that you continued to argue the same point with a guy who said he agreed with you. I'm really not sure what else to say to you bud but experience tells me you're pride just won't let it go :-)

(Side note: I've already complimented two Patriots QB's today and that's usually my limit for the year)

[Grogan]

Actually I didn't complain either. I stated why the franchise tag is bing used, it's a reality, and I agree with them. How do you came to these conclusions from my post, I'll never understand. I even told you I agreed with the Patriots in my second post. Here, I'll quote it for you so you can see it again:



You see the "Because I don't" part of my statement. Even after writing that you continued to argue the same point with a guy who said he agreed with you. I'm really not sure what else to say to you bud but experience tells me you're pride just won't let it go :-)

(Side note: I've already complimented two Patriots QB's today and that's usually my limit for the year)

Fair enough, maybe I was reading in too much the typical Jet fan slant on most things Patriots related. You say other wise and I take you at your word.

[The Green Titan]

Hey, I'm not very good at math so can someone help me out. So the Jets haven't made it to the playoffs often over the last couple of years but the Patriots have. And I was wondering, if the Patriots had won one more game, like the one they lost to the, oh crap I can't think of one, oh yeah, wait, to the

JETS

wouldn't they have made it to the playoffs? Anyhow, I have one more question. I was trying to think of something spectacular that the Jets did last year. Something to make up for not making it into the playoffs. What was something big? Something New. DomUK you're from England can you think of anything. I've BEATEN this around in my head all day and by golly I'm going to think of it. What did the JETS do? Hmmm!

(Disclaimer - this is a joke {some people are easily offended}. Jets fans have a developed sense of humor. It comes from 40 years of, maybe next year)

[Grogan]

Hey, I'm not very good at math so can someone help me out. So the Jets haven't made it to the playoffs often over the last couple of years but the Patriots have. And I was wondering, if the Patriots had won one more game, like the one they lost to the, oh crap I can't think of one, oh yeah, wait, to the

JETS

wouldn't they have made it to the playoffs? Anyhow, I have one more question. I was trying to think of something spectacular that the Jets did last year. Something to make up for not making it into the playoffs. What was something big? Something New. DomUK you're from England can you think of anything. I've BEATEN this around in my head all day and by golly I'm going to think of it. What did the JETS do? Hmmm!

(Disclaimer - this is a joke {some people are easily offended}. Jets fans have a developed sense of humor. It comes from 40 years of, maybe next year)

Well it's good to have a sense of humor. Owning an 8-3 record going into the last 5 games, talking about Super Bowls, and ending up 9-7 at the hands of some of the worst teams in the NFL, well I would hope you have a really good sense of Humor. ;)

[The Green Titan]

I do, and sometimes I think I'm funnier than I really am.

Well it's good to have a sense of humor. Owning an 8-3 record going into the last 5 games, talking about Super Bowls, and ending up 9-7 at the hands of some of the worst teams in the NFL, well I would hope you have a really good sense of Humor. ;)

[The Green Titan]

The New England Patriots announced today that they have designated quarterback Matt Cassel as their franchise player, becoming only the fourth player in team history to receive the designation. The team didn’t waste any time securing him contractually for next season; Thursday was the first day to apply the tag.

[Jetschris]

The New England Patriots announced today that they have designated quarterback Matt Cassel as their franchise player, becoming only the fourth player in team history to receive the designation. The team didn’t waste any time securing him contractually for next season; Thursday was the first day to apply the tag.

And, in guaranteed money, if he remains on the Patriots, he will be making more money than Tom Brady. Smells like a trade to me.

[SackExchange]

And, in guaranteed money, if he remains on the Patriots, he will be making more money than Tom Brady. Smells like a trade to me.
I think a trade will happen... though there is so much mystery surrounding Brady and the state of his health, is it possible they would move on from the Brady era? The tag doesn't mean much at the moment. A team can still make a huge offer, but the Patriots have the right to match it. I'd like to see a team make him a huge offer just to get an idea of where the Pats are at with Brady. As for the Jets and Cassell, despite his season, in my opinion he's still just a crap shoot given the money he can command at the moment. I wouldn't go for that kind of dough on a guy with one good season with the world's best offense and coach. He may be great, we don't know, but the Jets don't have the money or the willingness to take such a risk. If he flops, it would be a huge pr issue that would make the coaching staff look like idiots...

[Jetschris]

It wouldn't be the first time our coaching staff looked like idiots. I have seen every Pats game last season and I believe all the hype, I think he is the genuine article. I don't think our cap will allow us to find out if he's the genuine article for the Jets. Your point about Brady, and finding out the truth about his condition is excellent. As a fan, I can't wait to find out. I watch News and Sporting programs everyday here in Pats land, and I have never heard anything about it, not even rumors.

[Grogan]

I think a trade will happen... though there is so much mystery surrounding Brady and the state of his health, is it possible they would move on from the Brady era? The tag doesn't mean much at the moment. A team can still make a huge offer, but the Patriots have the right to match it. I'd like to see a team make him a huge offer just to get an idea of where the Pats are at with Brady. As for the Jets and Cassell, despite his season, in my opinion he's still just a crap shoot given the money he can command at the moment. I wouldn't go for that kind of dough on a guy with one good season with the world's best offense and coach. He may be great, we don't know, but the Jets don't have the money or the willingness to take such a risk. If he flops, it would be a huge pr issue that would make the coaching staff look like idiots...

The only problem I see with your theory is that any team that makes an offer to Cassel would also have to give up two 1st round picks as well big $$$, provided of course the Pats are un willing to work a trade for less. So really all they have to do is sit back and see what teams come out of the wood work and play them against eachother. Then there's Brady's condition, there are stories being printed in the range of "he'll never walk again" to "He could start a game this Sunday". My bet is based on real simple logic, if the Pats belive Brady is going to be ready next year, then Cassel will be traded on the 1st day of F.A. The PaPats needto fee the Cap space for F.A.(word in the N.E. papers is the Pats are targeting a big time LB)and this can't happen while both QB's are holding 30 mill in cap space. On the other hand if Cassel isn't traded then it tells me they don't think Brady will be ready.

[SackExchange]

The only problem I see with your theory is that any team that makes an offer to Cassel would also have to give up two 1st round picks as well big $$$, provided of course the Pats are un willing to work a trade for less. So really all they have to do is sit back and see what teams come out of the wood work and play them against eachother. Then there's Brady's condition, there are stories being printed in the range of "he'll never walk again" to "He could start a game this Sunday". My bet is based on real simple logic, if the Pats belive Brady is going to be ready next year, then Cassel will be traded on the 1st day of F.A. The PaPats needto fee the Cap space for F.A.(word in the N.E. papers is the Pats are targeting a big time LB)and this can't happen while both QB's are holding 30 mill in cap space. On the other hand if Cassel isn't traded then it tells me they don't think Brady will be ready.
Yeah, I forgot about the draft picks... I don't know who would be willing to do that with Cassell... KC maybe? So the trade scenario will really open the door to Brady's condition. I can't see them keeping both of them at the price... but that said, given Belichek's prowess on defense, he could probably figure out how to fill the holes there without spending to much money, and theoretically keep both, but at the same time it seems like a huge waste of money to do that... even to billionaires, 14 million is a lot of cash.

[Jetschris]

I thought I heard something about a young QB draft pick on the Pats being able to learn as Matt Cassel did, thus lessening Cassel's importance. I couldn't find his name on the Official NFL Patriots site. I did, however notice something, every time I go to that site there are numerous pictures of Matt Cassel and none if any of Tom Brady. How many Super Bowl and playoff victories and appearances did he lead the Patriots to? My girlfriend is a die hard football/Patriots fan and she goes to that site constantly, she noticed that as well. Does it mean anything besides the appearance of no loyalty?

[The Green Titan]

Who'd have thought that we'd spend the morning talking about the Patriots (kind of) and not a bad word would be said. You see Grogan, all's not that bad here in Jet Land.

Now, on a more serious note, I love this conversation about Cassel. It's nothing short of amazing that a one year QB can command this much attention (and money). He does deserve it though, at least for what we have seen. There was a lot more wrong with the Patriots on the injury front than we realise and still they managed an 11-5 record. There's something awfully wrong with a record like that and no playoff appearance. Do the Patriots have it together or what? Maybe the tables will turn one day (I guess they kind of did this year seeing as how Miami took the crown). But Cassel as a Jet, when you weigh our options right now, I'd take him. Certainly much less of a risk than what we have to field currently. He's not a rookie any more, but can we afford him. Uh, NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Tonybrooklyn]

For those of you out there with man crushes on the lead actor in "The Replacements", Matt Cassel, start your engines. Today is the start of the two week period that the New England Patriots have to Franchise Tag their baby. So how much of a raise will this miracle of football get? How about a Burger King value size raise of $520,000 to $14.65 million. Where did we go wrong in high school.


(Side note: Anyone know why the NFL introduced the franchise tag process - to give a team more time to negotiate a long-term contract with a player, not to prevent him from going to the Jets)

Consider him franchised. Awe shoot looks like we are stuck with Farve.

[Grogan]

Yeah, I forgot about the draft picks... I don't know who would be willing to do that with Cassell... KC maybe? So the trade scenario will really open the door to Brady's condition. I can't see them keeping both of them at the price... but that said, given Belichek's prowess on defense, he could probably figure out how to fill the holes there without spending to much money, and theoretically keep both, but at the same time it seems like a huge waste of money to do that... even to billionaires, 14 million is a lot of cash.

I don't see anyone even KC giving two number ones but a 1 and something else is a pretty safe bet based on history. I did hear an interesting rumor that had Tony Gonzalize (spelling?) and the Chiefs #2 pick 35 for Cassel. That would be great value. Right now it's like a big game of poker, teams that are interested will pretend they aren't, the Patriots will pretend they have no intention of letting him go anyway and it will all happen very quickly with a team never even linked to wanting Cassel once Free Agency hits.

[Jetschris]

I believe Matt Cassel is commanding so much attention on this site(and probably many others) is because of the incredible season he had last year. I guess you had to see it to believe it, but I feel he was one of last seasons best QBs on any team, and if the Patriots got into the playoffs things would have gone drastically different. I am aware it was just one season. There has been lots of 'flash in the pan' players at the QB position. Only time will tell what this kid is truly made of.

[Grogan]

Who'd have thought that we'd spend the morning talking about the Patriots (kind of) and not a bad word would be said. You see Grogan, all's not that bad here in Jet Land.

Now, on a more serious note, I love this conversation about Cassel. It's nothing short of amazing that a one year QB can command this much attention (and money). He does deserve it though, at least for what we have seen. There was a lot more wrong with the Patriots on the injury front than we realise and still they managed an 11-3 record. There's something awfully wrong with a record like that and no playoff appearance. Do the Patriots have it together or what? Maybe the tables will turn one day (I guess they kind of did this year seeing as how Miami took the crown). But Cassel as a Jet, when you weigh our options right now, I'd take him. Certainly much less of a risk than what we have to field currently. He's not a rookie any more, but can we afford him. Uh, NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not all bad at all, I have no problem talking objective football with any and all fans. Strike that, Eagle fans are truly &%&*@. That said, I much rather talk football than exchange the usless fan biased banter that pops up between rivals, but I will defend myself and team as needed.;) As for Cassel, I'm not shocked in the least at how much attention he is getting. If you look at recent history, Matt Hassellback, Matt Scabb, Rob Johnson, Marc Brunell, Scott Mitchell, A.J. Feely, none of them had even half the number of starts and wins in the NFL before they were traded. In additon teams looking for starting QB's in the 1st round of the draft will be rolling dice worth 100 millon bucks for a kid that may never be able to play in the NFL. All you have to do is look back at 1st round QB's for the last 10 years and it's like a 50-50 split those that are productive and those that flat out sucked.

[Grogan]

Eagles fans and Bills fans are the lowest. Been to both stadiums a few times and old Sackexchange had to do some kicking.

Never knew Bill fans where on par with Eagles, then again I don't find to many here in CT.

[Scooter]

Never knew Bill fans where on par with Eagles, then again I don't find to many here in CT.

Not my quote, but pretty accurate: http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8479052?MSNHPHCP&GT1=39002#sport=NFL&photo=8464406
NE Patriots fans #4 worst fan base.
Good lawd, these fans are frickin' tiresome. Most of them probably think that Bill Belichick is the only head coach in franchise history. Nobody in New England cared about this team for decades, yet during the Brady/Belichick Super Bowl gluttony we see "lifer" Pats fans all over the place. We're pretty sure 98 percent of them never saw Steve Grogan, Tony Eason or Jim Plunkett sport the old-school Patriots logo on their helmets, and also think Irving Fryar is a local priest. Congrats Patriots fans, you've earned championships in both football and bandwagon-jumping.

(OK...we know Grogan knows Grogan!)

http://www.wben.com/Report--Bills-fans--worst-behaved-/3140575
The Wall Street Journal opens its article on NFL fan behavior with a vignette on the Philadelphia Eagles, and segues into how security around the league has changed the boorish behavior that had fans like the Eagles' booing Santa Claus amongst other stories.

When it gets to Buffalo, however, the story shifts its tone.

Calling the Bills and Ralph Wilson Stadium a "self-admitted laggard" that "has struggled to control some of the worst-behaving fans in all of sports," the Journal attacks Buffalo's fan base and reputation, saying that the team is aware of Philadelphia's increased security measures, such as being able to text message fan abuse, but haven't budgeted for it.

[Jetschris]

Not my quote, but pretty accurate: http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8479052?MSNHPHCP&GT1=39002#sport=NFL&photo=8464406
NE Patriots fans #4 worst fan base.
Good lawd, these fans are frickin' tiresome. Most of them probably think that Bill Belichick is the only head coach in franchise history. Nobody in New England cared about this team for decades, yet during the Brady/Belichick Super Bowl gluttony we see "lifer" Pats fans all over the place. We're pretty sure 98 percent of them never saw Steve Grogan, Tony Eason or Jim Plunkett sport the old-school Patriots logo on their helmets, and also think Irving Fryar is a local priest. Congrats Patriots fans, you've earned championships in both football and bandwagon-jumping.

(OK...we know Grogan knows Grogan!)

http://www.wben.com/Report--Bills-fans--worst-behaved-/3140575
The Wall Street Journal opens its article on NFL fan behavior with a vignette on the Philadelphia Eagles, and segues into how security around the league has changed the boorish behavior that had fans like the Eagles' booing Santa Claus amongst other stories.

When it gets to Buffalo, however, the story shifts its tone.

Calling the Bills and Ralph Wilson Stadium a "self-admitted laggard" that "has struggled to control some of the worst-behaving fans in all of sports," the Journal attacks Buffalo's fan base and reputation, saying that the team is aware of Philadelphia's increased security measures, such as being able to text message fan abuse, but haven't budgeted for it.


Could you please repeat that?

[Jets337]

I've been to Ralph Wilson a few times at Jets games, and they get pretty brutal. Never felt like I was in harm's way though. Worst moment was going to the mens room and 25 of your classiest of Bill's fans, begin an Jets chant in my honor, replacing the Jets-Jets-Jets part with a word that shouldn't use on this board. I applauded them for their creativity, sarcastically of course, and slowly retreated. They were a little rougher in the parking lot, so wont tailgate next time.

[Tonybrooklyn]

I've been to Ralph Wilson a few times at Jets games, and they get pretty brutal. Never felt like I was in harm's way though. Worst moment was going to the mens room and 25 of your classiest of Bill's fans, begin an Jets chant in my honor, replacing the Jets-Jets-Jets part with a word that shouldn't use on this board. I applauded them for their creativity, sarcastically of course, and slowly retreated. They were a little rougher in the parking lot, so wont tailgate next time.

What can you expect from a team that went to the Super Bowl let me see 1,2,3,4,5 Times and walked away empty handed. I laugh at Bills fans when they ridicule the Jets. WE may have only gone once but we are batting 1.000.

[Scooter]

Could you please repeat that?

System had gas and belched I guess. Does that mean after further review post #1000 wasn't really post #1000?

[Scooter]

What can you expect from a team that went to the Super Bowl let me see 1,2,3,4,5 Times and walked away empty handed. I laugh at Bills fans when they ridicule the Jets. WE may have only gone once but we are batting 1.000.

Not to nit pick, but Bills went 4 times.
No wonder they get mad at us! :D

[Scooter]

I've been to Ralph Wilson a few times at Jets games, and they get pretty brutal. Never felt like I was in harm's way though. Worst moment was going to the mens room and 25 of your classiest of Bill's fans, begin an Jets chant in my honor, replacing the Jets-Jets-Jets part with a word that shouldn't use on this board. I applauded them for their creativity, sarcastically of course, and slowly retreated. They were a little rougher in the parking lot, so wont tailgate next time.

It's only a word.
What does it start with?

[Jets337]

I can't tell you that. I'd like to, but I can't. I just can't. Please, please, don't make me say it!!!!

[Jetschris]

say it !!!

[Scooter]

say it !!!

You know you want to say it, so say it!!!!

[Jetschris]

It's your turn so............

http://forums.newyorkjets.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=94&stc=1&d=1234152465

[GaTTi117]

It won't happen. Cassell has been franchised and both him and Tom Brady will be with the Pats next year. end of story.

[Grogan]

It won't happen. Cassell has been franchised and both him and Tom Brady will be with the Pats next year. end of story.

Not happening, Cassel will be traded within 48 hrs of the start of Free Agency. Book it. ;)

[Jets337]

Not happening, Cassel will be traded within 48 hrs of the start of Free Agency. Book it. ;)

Will be fun to watch it unfold. I think they hang on to him until positive that Brady is ready to get back on field. Supposedly he is a bit behind in his rehab, and we all saw how Peyton Manning started the 08 season.

[jetsknicks1]

Will be fun to watch it unfold. I think they hang on to him until positive that Brady is ready to get back on field. Supposedly he is a bit behind in his rehab, and we all saw how Peyton Manning started the 08 season.

If he is traded they're sure as he77 not sending him to the Jets. I wonder where he'd end up, Detroit?

[Jets337]

If he is traded they're sure as he77 not sending him to the Jets. I wonder where he'd end up, Detroit?

I'd bet they'd want to send him to NFC. No chance he comes to us.

[The Green Titan]

Yup, this is Matt Cassel in a Detroit Lions uniform after the Patriots accept the Lions 1st pick in this years Draft.

http://espn.go.com/i/abcsports/mnf/2001/1005/photo/s_mitchell_i.jpg

[Grogan]

Yup, this is Matt Cassel in a Detroit Lions uniform after the Patriots accept the Lions 1st pick in this years Draft.

http://espn.go.com/i/abcsports/mnf/2001/1005/photo/s_mitchell_i.jpg

Call me crazy, but I don't think the Pats will trade Matt to the Lions. It was Scott Pioli, and the Pats QB coach that pushed taking a chance on the kid in the 7th round in the 1st place. There was almost zero tape on the the kid from college and they basiclly stumbled onto the him while scouting WR's at USC. Cassel just happend to be the QB throwing balls for WR's during the work out and he impressed them enough to use a draft pick on him. The bottom line is Pioli knows better than anyone what this kid is as a QB, and what he's worth, in fact I wouldn't be shocked if B.B. and Pioli have at least a frame-work of a deal done already. The 1st 48hrs of FA should be real interesting.

[The Green Titan]

Call me crazy, but I don't think the Pats will trade Matt to the Lions. It was Scott Pioli, and the Pats QB coach that pushed taking a chance on the kid in the 7th round in the 1st place. There was almost zero tape on the the kid from college and they basiclly stumbled onto the him while scouting WR's at USC. Cassel just happend to be the QB throwing balls for WR's during the work out and he impressed them enough to use a draft pick on him. The bottom line is Pioli knows better than anyone what this kid is as a QB, and what he's worth, in fact I wouldn't be shocked if B.B. and Pioli have at least a frame-work of a deal done already. The 1st 48hrs of FA should be real interesting.

You're definitely more likely to be right about this than my scenario, but I do see Detroit as a runner up in places likely to get Cassel (because of the 1st pick in the draft).

[Jetschris]

That sounds like speculation, Scooter wants to see you in his office right away.

[The Green Titan]

The Patriots have prepped the media for a major announcement. Matt Cassel may be going to KC, but is more likely to be headed to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in a move related to the trade of Mike Vrabel to KC. These moves have been coordinated by KC, the Patriots and the Buccaneers.

The rumor: Involves the Bucs 1st round draft pick this year and their 2nd round pick in 2010, in exchange for Cassel (and of course the money).

[Jetschris]

I don't think Cassel will do well on either of those teams. He needs some WRs. Maybe The Bengals.

[Jets337]

I don't think Cassel will do well on either of those teams. He needs some WRs. Maybe The Bengals.

Carson Palmer may not welcome him.

[Jetschris]

Carson Palmer may not welcome him.

Yea, but it won't hurt Cassel that much when Carson kicks him.

[unmasked]

I read Cassel's new deal is looking like 4 years around $30 million up from 1 year around $15. I think I'd keep the 1 year contract and try my luck as a FA the following year.

Anyway with all that's going on with the Patsies I still theink their big news of the day is Brady getting married.

[The Green Titan]

Man what a pretty wife!

I read Cassel's new deal is looking like 4 years around $30 million up from 1 year around $15. I think I'd keep the 1 year contract and try my luck as a FA the following year.

Anyway with all that's going on with the Patsies I still theink their big news of the day is Brady getting married.

[Jets337]

Man what a pretty wife!

Yes, she is quite amazing.

[SackExchange]

The Patriots have prepped the media for a major announcement. Matt Cassel may be going to KC, but is more likely to be headed to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in a move related to the trade of Mike Vrabel to KC. These moves have been coordinated by KC, the Patriots and the Buccaneers.

The rumor: Involves the Bucs 1st round draft pick this year and their 2nd round pick in 2010, in exchange for Cassel (and of course the money).
My instincts tell me that this guy is going to be a big flop... I'm glad the Jets didn't try to get involved with that.

[Jets337]

My instincts tell me that this guy is going to be a big flop... I'm glad the Jets didn't try to get involved with that.

ya know, I'm right there with you on that. I think he has Scott Mitchell written all over him.

[DomUK]

Kansas!?!?!
The Kansas City Chiefs have found their starting quarterback. NFL Network’s Adam Schefter reports the Chiefs acquired QB Matt Cassel from the New England Patriots in a trade.

The teams have agreed on compensation, but no details of the deal were immediately available.

[The Green Titan]

Kansas!?!?!
The Kansas City Chiefs have found their starting quarterback. NFL Network’s Adam Schefter reports the Chiefs acquired QB Matt Cassel from the New England Patriots in a trade.

The teams have agreed on compensation, but no details of the deal were immediately available.


This is great news. Let's say Brady doesn't recover or is re injured (no I wouldn't actually wish that on the guy but none of us thought we'd see Pennington go down as much as he did either). There's no Cassell to back him up. Personally, that works for me.

[unmasked]

You know, its not like he has a heart condition. You can lead a perfectly normal life with knobby knees so I wouldn't mind wishing that on him at all. :) But seriously though I want to beat NE without them having an excuse to fall on.

[The Green Titan]

You know, its not like he has a heart condition. You can lead a perfectly normal life with knobby knees so I wouldn't mind wishing that on him at all. :) But seriously though I want to beat NE without them having an excuse to fall on.

I would wish knobbly knees on him. I'm not a nice person.

[SonnyWerblin]

does anyone think the Jets called the Pats to inquire about Cassel. I'm still in shock they only got a 2 for him and Vrabel. I'm sure the Pats would not deal him to NY, but that's all they could get?

[cash3737]

Are you kidding me they let him go to the chiefs? I understand he may not be the best qb, yah he showed talent but who wouldnt with the wideouts in NE, but he wouldve done us a lot of good. He is young and doesnt throw alot of picks....cough cough favre. Wow way to blow a chance at a good QB

[SonnyWerblin]

Are you kidding me they let him go to the chiefs? I understand he may not be the best qb, yah he showed talent but who wouldnt with the wideouts in NE, but he wouldve done us a lot of good. He is young and doesnt throw alot of picks....cough cough favre. Wow way to blow a chance at a good QB

yes...NFL network says it's a done deal. Cassel and Vrabel for a 2.

[Jets337]

does anyone think the Jets called the Pats to inquire about Cassel. I'm still in shock they only got a 2 for him and Vrabel. I'm sure the Pats would not deal him to NY, but that's all they could get?

I think it was a going away present for Scott Pioli, who is now running the chiefs organization, as well as a tip of the hat to Cassel for a job well done last year. By franchising him, they guaranteed that he get a good payday in 09. No way they let him go that cheap to another team, especiallly the Jets.

[Mount4444]

I think it was a going away present for Scott Pioli, who is now running the chiefs organization, as well as a tip of the hat to Cassel for a job well done last year. By franchising him, they guaranteed that he get a good payday in 09. No way they let him go that cheap to another team, especiallly the Jets.

I agree, in addition to the fact that alot of their current players contracts are running out at the end of next season and they need to resign them. They have roughly 19mil now to do that which you would think is alot for resignings but they have both their starting guards and richard seymour to think about. I'm sure most of this cap room will go to keeping their guys with maybe a couple cheap additions (Fred Taylor, Chris Baker) and maybe one other FA.

[NotJustAnotherChad]

Cassel was never going to come to the Jets, the Pats would never have let a potential star QB come to a division rival. So what do they do, the franchise the guy to kill another AFC team's cap room on a guy that had one good season. He may be great, but that one season could be a fluke. Give us a great defense and a fair to good QB and we can make a run at it. Ratliff could be the guy, not Clemens, too much like Foley. No one ever heard of Joe Montana either when he started, not saying Ratliff is Montana, but he looked good last pre-season, knows the O-scheme, knows the receivers, lets get him someone big to throw to across the middle and give us the option of a WR blocker for the run, like Keyshawn, without the head trip.

There are several teams that have won Super Bowls with fair QB's, even Pittsburgh one with a Super Bowl with a mediocre performance from BR.

[unmasked]

I'm hoping Giselle is telling her new hubby to ask for more money considering how much the Pats gave to Cassel to not make the playoffs. :)

[Jets337]

I'm hoping Giselle is telling her new hubby to ask for more money considering how much the Pats gave to Cassel to not make the playoffs. :)

that's the one guy they will pay when it's time. LOL

[greenblood1984]

You guys know eactly . Of course Pioli was going to take Cassel...the Boston papers have been talking about it for 2 weeks!

[superbowlbeforeidie]

I guess I'll be first,, as jets fans we know we are always collapsing when it counts and even off of a great active day of trades and signings, there is disappointment,, how the blank did they let cassell get away!! chiefs gave up nothing, my first post, a negative one, get used to it...I would say to t and others wake up and get thigpen,, i have watched him down here in sc while he was at a college nobody knows about, coastal, and he ripped apart the jets last year,,he is the goods,he will be top passer in league one day, write it down... he would be an immediate upgrade to the joke that currently represents the jets at qb today,, and while i'm at it,, good riddance favre, you will be forgotten shortly, you never wanted to be here,, i wouldn't wash my car with one of your jerseys,, go back to green bay and cry at a press conference!!!!

[Jets337]

I guess I'll be first,, as jets fans we know we are always collapsing when it counts and even off of a great active day of trades and signings, there is disappointment,, how the blank did they let cassell get away!! chiefs gave up nothing, my first post, a negative one, get used to it...I would say to t and others wake up and get thigpen,, i have watched him down here in sc while he was at a college nobody knows about, coastal, and he ripped apart the jets last year,,he is the goods,he will be top passer in league one day, write it down... he would be an immediate upgrade to the joke that currently represents the jets at qb today,, and while i'm at it,, good riddance favre, you will be forgotten shortly, you never wanted to be here,, i wouldn't wash my car with one of your jerseys,, go back to green bay and cry at a press conference!!!!

Welcome to for the forum. No worries, all opinions are welcome here, even the negatives. Just keep them constructive and be somewhat accepting of other points of view.

There was no way on earth that the Pats would have traded Cassel to the Jets. I'm sure they franchised him, so they could dictate where he went, and to ensure Brady was going to be healthy for 09. Belichick and Scott Pioli built that beast of a team in New England and I'm sure the Pats gave KC a former employee discount.

I agree, that if Thigpen becomes the odd man out, we look at him. He showed some signs, particularly late in the season, that he may have something. But, I wouldn't give up on the current crop we have. One or more of them may be built for the run oriented team that is currently being fortified.

[The Green Titan]

Umm, maybe everyone is missing the point of the Cassel trade. Everyone is focused on the draft choices that were exchanged but the cap cost for Cassel remained the same as it would for any franchise tagged QB, making his cost far to great for a Jets team with a defensive mindset and a grocery list to match. Not to mentioin that this trade was constructed by Pioli and Belichick long before free agency began, and I mean a long time before.

[unmasked]

i have watched him down here in sc while he was at a college nobody knows about, coastal, and he ripped apart the jets last year

So did everyone! If Titan receivers didn't drop so many balls Collins would have as well!

[Jetschris]

Umm, maybe everyone is missing the point of the Cassel trade. Everyone is focused on the draft choices that were exchanged but the cap cost for Cassel remained the same as it would for any franchise tagged QB, making his cost far to great for a Jets team with a defensive mindset and a grocery list to match. Not to mention that this trade was constructed by Pioli and Belichick long before free agency began, and I mean a long time before.

It had to be. A player like Cassel demands that kind of detailed attention. It's too bad for Cassel though, I think he will have no help in KC and hurt his stats and reputation.

[Jets337]

It had to be. A player like Cassel demands that kind of detailed attention. It's too bad for Cassel though, I think he will have no help in KC and hurt his stats and reputation.

with Piole running the show, I think Cassel will eventually be fine.

[Jetschris]

I hope your right Brother, I really liked watching the kid play last season.

[Jets337]

A good player. I think Pioli leaving the Pats will help the Jets for years to come.

[DomUK]

so will Cassel leaving, who knows if Brady's knee is gonna come back to haunt him - who have they got to back him up this time?

[Grogan]

I guess I'll be first,, as jets fans we know we are always collapsing when it counts and even off of a great active day of trades and signings, there is disappointment,, how the blank did they let cassell get away!! chiefs gave up nothing, my first post, a negative one, get used to it...I would say to t and others wake up and get thigpen,, i have watched him down here in sc while he was at a college nobody knows about, coastal, and he ripped apart the jets last year,,he is the goods,he will be top passer in league one day, write it down... he would be an immediate upgrade to the joke that currently represents the jets at qb today,, and while i'm at it,, good riddance favre, you will be forgotten shortly, you never wanted to be here,, i wouldn't wash my car with one of your jerseys,, go back to green bay and cry at a press conference!!!!

Typical Jet fan response, Jet fans have been telling Pats fans for months that Cassel isn't that good and we weren't going to get crap for him. Then the Pats get the 34th pick in the draft and all of a sudden Jets fans change their tune, "Cassel is a Franchise QB !!! Top 10 in the League!! Pats got robbed!!!" How sad it must be to be a JET fan, watching the Patriots take 7th round pick that the Jets never even bothered to scout and watch the Pats turn him into a starting QB better than any the Jets have had in years. Jets fans belive they win the off-season Super Bowl every single year,,, then the real games start. ;)

[DomUK]

how sad it is that a pats fan has nothing better to do than come here and diss our team

:'(

[jetsfan1115]

Typical Jet fan response, Jet fans have been telling Pats fans for months that Cassel isn't that good and we weren't going to get crap for him. Then the Pats get the 34th pick in the draft and all of a sudden Jets fans change their tune, "Cassel is a Franchise QB !!! Top 10 in the League!! Pats got robbed!!!" How sad it must be to be a JET fan, watching the Patriots take 7th round pick that the Jets never even bothered to scout and watch the Pats turn him into a starting QB better than any the Jets have had in years. Jets fans belive they win the off-season Super Bowl every single year,,, then the real games start. ;)

excuse me while i go record sumthing ;)

[tiernster]

I am glad we didn't get Cassal. he couldn't be a starter anywhere in career including college but now he is an All Pro? please.

[Grogan]

I am glad we didn't get Cassal. he couldn't be a starter anywhere in career including college but now he is an All Pro? please.

Why would the Patriots trade a young proven starting QB to division rival? You can say you didn't want "Cassel" all you want, but the reality is none of the crap on the Jets QB deth chart is half as good as that 7th round pick that hadn't started a game since high school. ;)

[Jetschris]

Why would the Patriots trade a young proven starting QB to division rival? You can say you didn't want "Cassel" all you want, but the reality is none of the crap on the Jets QB deth chart is half as good as that 7th round pick that hadn't started a game since high school. ;)

I think the correct term for you is a sore winner. Do you also kick old people after they have slipped in the grocery store. And, when the Jets do beat out the Pats again(as they have done so many times in the past), or we win the Super Bowl, the Patriots blog will be the last place I would want to go. I will be here celebrating with other Jet fans.

Its really has to eat you up that your precious Matt Cassel(who's thread you visit here so often) has been given up by your team to play for KC, where his stats and all-pro status will turn to .................

[unmasked]

Do you also kick old people after they have slipped in the grocery store.
Yes, if they're wearing a Patriots jersey. Anyway, as a Jets fan what would you know about being a sore winner anyway? ;)

[Jetschris]

Yes, if they're wearing a Patriots jersey. Anyway, as a Jets fan what would you know about being a sore winner anyway? ;)

Believe it or not, there are some teams I like that win. lol.

[Jetschris]

how sad it is that a pats fan has nothing better to do than come here and diss our team

:'(

Leave it to a 15 year old Jets fan from England to make the point so succinctly and with complete accuracy. That's why we keep him around. Nice job Dom.:)

[Grogan]

I think the correct term for you is a sore winner. Do you also kick old people after they have slipped in the grocery store. And, when the Jets do beat out the Pats again(as they have done so many times in the past), or we win the Super Bowl, the Patriots blog will be the last place I would want to go. I will be here celebrating with other Jet fans.

Its really has to eat you up that your precious Matt Cassel(who's thread you visit here so often) has been given up by your team to play for KC, where his stats and all-pro status will turn to .................

Not at all, I just find it ironic that the same Jet fans that spent the whole off-season telling Pats fans that Cassel sucks and isn't worth squat, are now telling us that B.B. has lost his mind for only getting the 34th pick in the draft.:rolleyes: It's like Jet nation makes up their own reality as they go along. I'm not out to kick anyone when there down and even if I was, it would have become tiresome considering the Jets have been down for the last 40 years. On the other hand Jets fans have been telling us about our dimise since 01, with every coaching change, player released, or draft pick selected. Yet no matter the loss of coaches, personel staff, or player the Patriots continue to find a way to compete at a high level. Heck Jets boards where over run last April with threads on how the Pats reached for Mayo and that the Jets got the next L.T., we all know how that ended. ;)

[Jetschris]

Not at all, I just find it ironic that the same Jet fans that spent the whole off-season telling Pats fans that Cassel sucks and isn't worth squat, are now telling us that B.B. has lost his mind for only getting the 34th pick in the draft.:rolleyes: It's like Jet nation makes up their own reality as they go along. I'm not out to kick anyone when there down and even if I was, it would have become tiresome considering the Jets have been down for the last 40 years. On the other hand Jets fans have been telling us about our demise since 01, with every coaching change, player released, or draft pick selected. Yet no matter the loss of coaches, personnel staff, or player the Patriots continue to find a way to compete at a high level. Heck Jets boards where over run last April with threads on how the Pats reached for Mayo and that the Jets got the next L.T., we all know how that ended. ;)

I too find it ironic how you claim to not kick people when they are down, then whenever you leave here, I have a sore butt. And there are bad apples in every fan base. You have a broad, well-versed football knowledge, why listen to the knuckleheads then?
I have been agreeing with you about Cassel from day one.

[Jets337]

Not at all, I just find it ironic that the same Jet fans that spent the whole off-season telling Pats fans that Cassel sucks and isn't worth squat, are now telling us that B.B. has lost his mind for only getting the 34th pick in the draft.:rolleyes: It's like Jet nation makes up their own reality as they go along. I'm not out to kick anyone when there down and even if I was, it would have become tiresome considering the Jets have been down for the last 40 years. On the other hand Jets fans have been telling us about our dimise since 01, with every coaching change, player released, or draft pick selected. Yet no matter the loss of coaches, personel staff, or player the Patriots continue to find a way to compete at a high level. Heck Jets boards where over run last April with threads on how the Pats reached for Mayo and that the Jets got the next L.T., we all know how that ended. ;)

There is absolutely no doubt that the Pats have been an amazing dynasty for years. Many of us Jets fans, will certainly hope that the Pats fortunes will change, but I've given up predicting that each year. Belichick has proven he has the system and skills to maintain success with a very player friendly system. As for Cassel, we all hoped that we caught a break with Brady out, (no I wasn't happy to see him hurt), then Cassel came on strong when he had to. When some folks here were hoping that the Jets would get Matt Cassel. My concern was that we have no way of knowing if he is really that good, or was his success a product of the winning system that Bill Belichick has instituted for almost the past decade in New England. Anyway, I'm glad Cassel is out of the division and hope Brady decides to retire and spend time with his gorgeous life. :D

[Grogan]

There is absolutely no doubt that the Pats have been an amazing dynasty for years. Many of us Jets fans, will certainly hope that the Pats fortunes will change, but I've given up predicting that each year. Belichick has proven he has the system and skills to maintain success with a very player friendly system. As for Cassel, we all hoped that we caught a break with Brady out, (no I wasn't happy to see him hurt), then Cassel came on strong when he had to. When some folks here were hoping that the Jets would get Matt Cassel. My concern was that we have no way of knowing if he is really that good, or was his success a product of the winning system that Bill Belichick has instituted for almost the past decade in New England. Anyway, I'm glad Cassel is out of the division and hope Brady decides to retire and spend time with his gorgeous life. :D


Fair enough, I would also add that no one was more shocked at how well Cassel played than Patriot fans. I belive most Pats fans felt we could win games if he was just able to manage and not screw things up, but by mid season the team was winning beacuse of him. It will be interesting to see what he can do now, he has some great skills and stepped up in pressure situations, all good signs for astarting QB. As for Brady, I think those hoping he's lost the fire, are in for shock, a year away from football, he's going to be out for blood. ;)

[The Green Titan]

Fair enough, I would also add that no one was more shocked at how well Cassel played than Patriot fans. I believe most Pats fans felt we could win games if he was just able to manage and not screw things up, but by mid season the team was winning because of him. It will be interesting to see what he can do now, he has some great skills and stepped up in pressure situations, all good signs for a starting QB. As for Brady, I think those hoping he's lost the fire, are in for shock, a year away from football, he's going to be out for blood. ;)

I don't want him to get hurt again. I actually like Brady. I have a hard time listening to Jets fans who say they hate Brady, because he is what he's supposed to be, a great QB. But I think about the first major injury that Pennington had and how he continued to get hurt year after year and wonder, just a little, if Brady might incur a similar streak of bad luck. The surgeries he had to begin with didn't work out like they were supposed to after all. And the questions that Jets337 raised about Cassel are very good ones. Belichick is an incredible coach, and has a great team, so it will be interesting to see how Cassel does without that around him. I have a friend that is a KC fan, goes to every home game, and so I felt bad for the time KC had to spend under Edwards. So I'm hoping that they, and hence Cassel, do a lot better this year.

[frogstomp]

I don't want Brady to get hurt. I have an amazing amount of respect for Brady the player, but I hate Brady the Patriot.

Anyways, if Brady gets injured, if we beat them there's the "what if...". Yes, injuries are a part of the game, but it's different when you lose your best player on the team at the most important position in football.

[Jets337]

I don't want Brady to get hurt. I have an amazing amount of respect for Brady the player, but I hate Brady the Patriot.

Anyways, if Brady gets injured, if we beat them there's the "what if...". Yes, injuries are a part of the game, but it's different when you lose your best player on the team at the most important position in football.

Kind of like Marino. I hated the guy, but never wanted to see him get injured. His pained look walking towards the sideline after throwing a pick was good enough for me. Week one I went to a sports bar to watch the Jets/Fish game and saw Brady go down against KC. You could tell it was significant as soon as he crumbled. A few slobs were cheering but most weren't.

[SackExchange]

Kind of like Marino. I hated the guy, but never wanted to see him get injured. His pained look walking towards the sideline after throwing a pick was good enough for me. Week one I went to a sports bar to watch the Jets/Fish game and saw Brady go down against KC. You could tell it was significant as soon as he crumbled. A few slobs were cheering but most weren't.
Wow, you guys are so nice. When Brady got hurt I hoped he was dead or that at the least his career was over.

[Jets337]

Wow, you guys are so nice. When Brady got hurt I hoped he was dead or that at the least his career was over.

Remind me to stay on your good side. :D

[Grogan]

Wow, you guys are so nice. When Brady got hurt I hoped he was dead or that at the least his career was over.

That's ok, when noodle Arm went down I laughed my butt off every time. :D

[The Green Titan]

That's ok, when noodle Arm went down I laughed my butt off every time. :D

You sure did get to laugh a lot in that case.

[SackExchange]

That's ok, when noodle Arm went down I laughed my butt off every time. :D
I respect that.

[nyjfan1968]

Now that Matt Cassel has been signed by the K.C. Chiefs, I think that Byron Leftwich would be a good veteran free agent QB to be acquired by the Jets.

He had a good career at Marshall, along with fellow QB Chad Pennington (it looks like the Jets' loss is Miami's gain ;)).

His TD vs. Interception ratio at Marshall is quite impressive (89 TD passes vs. 28 Int's); along with 11,903 collegiate passing yds. and completing 65.1% of his total passes, his stats are 2nd to CP at Marshall.

As for his pro career, he did a pretty good job as the Jaguars' starting QB when Brunell got injured in the 2005 season (89.3 passer rating, 15:5 TD/Int. ratio).

He has recently been a key player for the '08 Steelers championship team, completing 21 of 36 attempts (58.3%) for 303 yds. and finishing with a 104.3 passer rating, 2 TD passes and 1 rushing TD.

As a member of the winning SB team, I think he has great potential and might find a place to fit in on the Jets' roster before some other team signs him to a contract.

In short: Leftwich is the man the Jets should be looking for to help out the team.

[Jets337]

That's ok, when noodle Arm went down I laughed my butt off every time. :D

A lesson to be learned by all! :D

[Jets337]

Now that Matt Cassel has been signed by the K.C. Chiefs, I think that Byron Leftwich would be a good veteran free agent QB to be acquired by the Jets.

He had a good career at Marshall, along with fellow QB Chad Pennington (it looks like the Jets' loss is Miami's gain ;)).

His TD vs. Interception ratio at Marshall is quite impressive (89 TD passes vs. 28 Int's); along with 11,903 collegiate passing yds. and completing 65.1% of his total passes, his stats are 2nd to CP at Marshall.

As for his pro career, he did a pretty good job as the Jaguars' starting QB when Brunell got injured in the 2005 season (89.3 passer rating, 15:5 TD/Int. ratio).

He has recently been a key player for the '08 Steelers championship team, completing 21 of 36 attempts (58.3%) for 303 yds. and finishing with a 104.3 passer rating, 2 TD passes and 1 rushing TD.

As a member of the winning SB team, I think he has great potential and might find a place to fit in on the Jets' roster before some other team signs him to a contract.

In short: Leftwich is the man the Jets should be looking for to help out the team.

Welcome to the forum!

Never been a big Leftwich fan. Always saw him as rather inconsistent. I wouldn't be opposed to bringing him in, though. The more competition in training camp, the better!

[greenandwhite]

Welcome to the forum!

Never been a big Leftwich fan. Always saw him as rather inconsistent. I wouldn't be opposed to bringing him in, though. The more competition in training camp, the better!
Leftwich would be good as a backup if our starting QB gets injured or plays terribly.

[Jetschris]

Leftwich moves poorly in the pocket and makes bad decisions when throwing down field. Since he is available, can someone convince me that he would be good for us and why.

[aja7111]

i dont think anyone can convince you of that

[greenandwhite]

Leftwich moves poorly in the pocket and makes bad decisions when throwing down field. Since he is available, can someone convince me that he would be good for us and why.
Well, we traded for Favre, didn't we? :p

[Jetschris]

Well, we traded for Favre, didn't we? :p

Those two names shouldn't be in the same sentence. Farve was hurt at the end and Shotty and Mangini panicked with bad play calling. I seem two remember two road wins in a row before that though.

[greenandwhite]

Those two names shouldn't be in the same sentence. Farve was hurt at the end and Shotty and Mangini panicked with bad play calling. I seem two remember two road wins in a row before that though.
True. But Favre was known as a gunslinger who took risks. Which is why we should get Cutler.

[Jetschris]

True. But Favre was known as a gunslinger who took risks. Which is why we should get Cutler.

I agree, Cutler at a good price would be our best bet with our limited choices.

[DomUK]

True. But Favre was known as a gunslinger who took risks. Which is why we should get Cutler.

Cutler has a tendency to fling them up there, last year he went 25-18 in TD-INT

[frogstomp]

Cutler has a tendency to fling them up there, last year he went 25-18 in TD-INT

Having a turnover prone QB (who still puts up great stats otherwise) is alright when you have a defense that LOOKS to be as good as ours.

Also, Cutler did pass the ball 616 times... about 1 pick for every 34 passes (Cutler is at one interception per 33 passes on his career). Peyton Manning threw a pick every 46 passes this year, and every 36 passes the year before that (in fact, for his career, Peyton throws an interception every 36 passes). Drew Brees threw one every 37 attempts, and then every 36 attempts before that. Ben Roethlisberger throws one every 27 passes for his career.

So, I also believe his INT "problems" are overrated. As I have said before, Cutler's main problem in Denver was red zone execution... but he still threw for 25 TD's.

[DomUK]

Having a turnover prone QB (who still puts up great stats otherwise) is alright when you have a defense that LOOKS to be as good as ours.

Also, Cutler did pass the ball 616 times... about 1 pick for every 34 passes (Cutler is at one interception per 33 passes on his career). Peyton Manning threw a pick every 46 passes this year, and every 36 passes the year before that (in fact, for his career, Peyton throws an interception every 36 passes). Drew Brees threw one every 37 attempts, and then every 36 attempts before that. Ben Roethlisberger throws one every 27 passes for his career.

So, I also believe his INT "problems" are overrated. As I have said before, Cutler's main problem in Denver was red zone execution... but he still threw for 25 TD's.

the stomper knows all :p
i'm not saying it is a serious weakness but remember he won't have a hugely experienced WR corps. I would love to see him in New York but we have other issues to adress aswell

[Jetschris]

the stomper knows all :p
I'm not saying it is a serious weakness but remember he won't have a hugely experienced WR corps. I would love to see him in New York but we have other issues to address as well

I agree again. I look forward to Stomper's entries. Another voice of reason and knowledge. Seems everything accurate I know about the upcoming draft is from reading his entries.

[DomUK]

I agree again. I look forward to Stomper's entries. Another voice of reason and knowledge. Seems everything accurate I know about the upcoming draft is from reading his entries.

its good innit, you mention something and bang straight away he has all the stats and info; as well as a very reputable opinion

[frogstomp]

its good innit, you mention something and bang straight away he has all the stats and info; as well as a very reputable opinion

What can I say, I have no life. :p

And bcr1 usually has the best info regarding everything. My guess is he is probably Rex Ryan.

[DomUK]

What can I say, I have no life. :p

And bcr1 usually has the best info regarding everything. My guess is he is probably Rex Ryan.

thats a good point, every one of his posts are packed full of information, reasoning and football analysis.

[greenandwhite]

Having a turnover prone QB (who still puts up great stats otherwise) is alright when you have a defense that LOOKS to be as good as ours.

Also, Cutler did pass the ball 616 times... about 1 pick for every 34 passes (Cutler is at one interception per 33 passes on his career). Peyton Manning threw a pick every 46 passes this year, and every 36 passes the year before that (in fact, for his career, Peyton throws an interception every 36 passes). Drew Brees threw one every 37 attempts, and then every 36 attempts before that. Ben Roethlisberger throws one every 27 passes for his career.

So, I also believe his INT "problems" are overrated. As I have said before, Cutler's main problem in Denver was red zone execution... but he still threw for 25 TD's.
Also, the fact that Cutler put up 8 wins with Denver's defense shouldn't be overlooked. Even if the Jets D isn't amazing, it's atleast solid, and we also have a strong running game. If Cutler became a Jet, he won't have to carry the team entirely.

[Grogan]

I think people are missing some very basic questions that answer alot about what Cutler is or isn't as a QB. First, why does J.D., in his first season as a NFL head coach feel he has to get rid of Jay Cutler in favor of Matt Cassel???

[greenandwhite]

I think people are missing some very basic questions that answer alot about what Cutler is or isn't as a QB. First, why does J.D., in his first season as a NFL head coach feel he has to get rid of Jay Cutler in favor of Matt Cassel???
Well, he's made a lot of questionable decisions. I heard that he cut the Broncos long snapper for the Patriots' long snapper who was not any better.

There were reports that Cutler asked for a trade after Shanahan and the OC were fired. I think Cutler's agent is just using the trade rumors as an excuse.

Also, McD would probably want to trade Cutler because he could get a lot and his familiarity with Cassel could have played into it. Then again, we don't know if McD initiated the trades or if he just listened to them. We also don't know if he would've made the trade or not.

[The Green Titan]

I think people are missing some very basic questions that answer alot about what Cutler is or isn't as a QB. First, why does J.D., in his first season as a NFL head coach feel he has to get rid of Jay Cutler in favor of Matt Cassel???

One man's piece of coal is another man's diamond, right?

[Grogan]

One man's piece of coal is another man's diamond, right?

Has to me more than that don't you think? I mean if you belive that the two QB's are even close to being on par with eachother you don't bother taking the risk right, I mean it wouldn't be worth it? So I'm betting that Josh M. either feels the upside with Cassel is far greater than Cutler or the down side of Cutler much worse. The only other explanation for this is that he's just stupid and given what he's done in his career that doesn't fly either. Bottom line is there has to be something more to this, maybe the rumors of Cutler being a booze hound are real?

[The Green Titan]

Has to me more than that don't you think? I mean if you belive that the two QB's are even close to being on par with eachother you don't bother taking the risk right, I mean it wouldn't be worth it? So I'm betting that Josh M. either feels the upside with Cassel is far greater than Cutler or the down side of Cutler much worse. The only other explanation for this is that he's just stupid and given what he's done in his career that doesn't fly either. Bottom line is there has to be something more to this, maybe the rumors of Cutler being a booze hound are real?

Well personally I'm not a Cutler fan and I don't want him on the Jets. And the saying about one mans coal is another man's diamond, sometimes it works out that way and sometimes it's just a belief system you hope will work out your way. The fact that they were willing to get rid of Cutler is interesting, but Cutler's behavior toward the whole thing is even more interesting and you have to wonder if the reaction was a product of the cause.

[greenandwhite]

Well personally I'm not a Cutler fan and I don't want him on the Jets. And the saying about one mans coal is another man's diamond, sometimes it works out that way and sometimes it's just a belief system you hope will work out your way. The fact that they were willing to get rid of Cutler is interesting, but Cutler's behavior toward the whole thing is even more interesting and you have to wonder if the reaction was a product of the cause.
What's wrong with Cutler on the Jets?

[The Green Titan]

What's wrong with Cutler on the Jets?


He would cost us too much
We should give our current QB's a chance this year
He cried like a baby over something that is considered a normal procedure in the NFL
I just don't like the guy
Now you can give me all the reasons you want to tell me why I'm wrong but none of them will change my opinion of number 2 and 3, especially number 2. Do our QB's deserve a chance, ABSOLUTELY!
Now to my most important point. Do I believe in Ryan. ABSOLUTELY, so when he says the following, there's no reason i would want to have Cutler.

“We want a guy that’s going to lead the league in wins,” Ryan said during last week’s NFL Annual Meeting at Dana Point, Calif. “We don’t care about leading it in passing yards or any of this other stuff. He just has to understand it’s about the team. It’s a big part, but … he doesn’t have to be the solution, he just has to be part of the solution.”
For the most part, the No. 1 trait Ryan wants in his quarterback is exactly what you’d expect from a defensive-oriented coach: “Don’t be careless with the football.”

That last comment by Ryan goes against the idea of having Cutler who is known to be careless with the football, who forces stuff and causes interceptions. Make excuses for that sure, but it's still careless and it's not what Ryan is looking for. i know this because I highlighted that part :-)

But wait, I'm not done:

“I am very comfortable with our quarterback situation,” Ryan said. “We were very fortunate to keep Brian Schottenheimer as our coordinator, so that’s going to make it much easier on these guys. They’re not coming in learning a brand new system. They’re almost veterans in that system. It’s going to be a physical thing, not a mental thing.

Jetsknicks1 (a friend and someone I respect on here), said earlier that the players are just saying the right stuff so as not to offend anyone (basically). I can't prove him wrong because it's speculation, but Ryan has always been known as a straight shooter in this league. And if he says we have what we need then we have what we need, and Cutler can stay where he is.

[greenandwhite]

Well, those are valid reasons. But he wanted to be traded a little while after Shanahan was fired, but his agent is just using the trade with Cassel as an excuse. I agree with you, our QB's deserve a chance, especially if Ratliff lives up the HOF expectations people here have of him. :p The only reason I would want Cutler is because there's a chance none of our QB's do well and then we're screwed at the position.

[The Green Titan]

The only reason I would want Cutler is because there's a chance none of our QB's do well and then we're screwed at the position.

That's the best reason to have Cutler. But look at the cost of having him for that reason. it would be huge. You know I was scared to death about having to watch another season go down the drain and I really thought that if we didn't bring in a seasoned QB, let's say Cutler for example, that we would be walking a tight rope with regard to success. But then I started to look closer at the type of team that Ryan was trying to build and realised that we don't need a Tom Brady or a Peyton Manning. We need a game manager that won't make a lot of mistakes. We'll move the ball down the field with the run game, a good return game and a short passing game, with the occasional lob to open things up. Our greatest success last year came with Favre throwing short passes. I think we'll perfect that this year with more options. And we have three QB's that studied under Shotty last year, know the entire play book, and are hungry to make it big. Most back ups have to wait until someone gets hurt for that to happen and then have to start wondering how long before the guy comes back and takes their job back. This time, our three heroes know that whoever gets the job, keeps the job, as long as they get it right. I believe we have that guy on the roster.

[greenandwhite]

Hopefully we do have that guy on the roster. Now we do have a run game and strong defense, but what about when the QB needs to beat a strong run defense? The Cutler trade is not gonna happen anyway, so Ratliff or Clemens is gonna have to step up and prove their capability of making big throws deep and the accurate throws underneath. But I liked the initial idea of getting Cutler because he would make the offense much better. Only a defense that was very good all around would be able to effectively stop us. Also, it would be worth the cost because we don't have a lot of major needs. After QB, we need a WR, blocking TE, and a DE. Maybe a CB for depth. Hopefully, Clemens or Ratliff can be effective game managers, but also good enough to beat teams once in a while.