What did we have in '98 that we don't have now?

[Greenbaumenom]

I feel like we are more talented now, but that team was amazing.

[DomUK]

Curtis Martin

[Greenbaumenom]

Man do I miss that guy.

[Greenbaumenom]

Also had Chrebet and Parcells. Unfortunately, I think our overall team is much stronger now, but don't play like that team did.

[Dunnie]

Curtis, Chrebet, Farrior, Keyshawn, Testaverde and Parcells

I think we are stronger now too.

[The Green Titan]

A forum. I think that's made all the difference. The coaches are definitely reading what we have to say. Especially Sutton! LOL

[DomUK]

A forum. I think that's made all the difference.

yeah, i'll agree with that

[Greenbaumenom]

A forum. I think that's made all the difference. The coaches are definitely reading what we have to say. Especially Sutton!

Great, he'll resign immediately and call it a career.

[GastineauSackMaster99]

Bill Parcells- HC
Bill Belichick- Assistant HC
Charlie Weiss- Offensive Coordinator

ect., etc.

I think we had a more complete/experienced coaching staff back then, does anyone know who our Defensive Coordinator was under Parcells? I don't think it was BB but I could be wrong. For some reason I can't remember that.

[Jetman]

Bill Parcells- HC
Bill Belichick- Assistant HC
Charlie Weiss- Offensive Coordinator

ect., etc.

I think we had a more complete/experienced coaching staff back then, does anyone know who our Defensive Coordinator was under Parcells? I don't think it was BB but I could be wrong. For some reason I can't remember that.

Actually in 1998 Dan Henning was the Offensive Coordinator, but I do agree with you 100% that it was the coaching staff that made that team so special.

[Greenbaumenom]

Well it's just that Parcells teams are always unbelievable, look at the Dolphins, that team has Parcells written all over it. He creates a culture of winning, I hope Mangini can get to this level.

[GastineauSackMaster99]

Actually in 1998 Dan Henning was the Offensive Coordinator, but I do agree with you 100% that it was the coaching staff that made that team so special.

My bad, I didn't think Henning came on until the Al Groh regime. Either way, I loved Henning's play calling. Especially during that Monday night game in 2000 against the Dolphins. One heck of a comeback and a great game plan offensively. I liked Al Groh a lot too when he was here.

[SARone]

http://nbcsportsmedia.msnbc.com/j/ap/asianyeb10301172207.hmedium.jpg

Hello.

I am Eric Mangini and not Bill Parcells. Not even close.

SAR I

[Greenbaumenom]

Depending how this team finishes, I'll agree with SAR I. But if we can win out and make a run, I'm behind Mangini.

[The Green Titan]

My bad, I didn't think Henning came on until the Al Groh regime. Either way, I loved Henning's play calling. Especially during that Monday night game in 2000 against the Dolphins. One of a comeback and a great game plan offensively. I liked Al Groh a lot too when he was here.

What did you think of Donnie Henderson as a defensive coordinator? You think he'd be a good fit right now, and I don't just mean because we don't like Bob Sutton.

[Greenbaumenom]

No, never liked him, we need someone new. Donnie hasn't fared well since leaving us either.

[GastineauSackMaster99]

What did you think of Donnie Henderson as a defensive coordinator? You think he'd be a good fit right now, and I don't just mean because we don't like Bob Sutton.

Personally, I liked Donnie Henderson. I thought he was a pretty good DC for us. I have to agree with Green on the fact that he hasn't done anything since he left the Jets. It would be interesting to see what he could do if we had him back this season. Especially with the mega-potential talent we have on defense. Great question man!

[Jetman]

My bad, I didn't think Henning came on until the Al Groh regime. Either way, I loved Henning's play calling. Especially during that Monday night game in 2000 against the Dolphins. One heck of a comeback and a great game plan offensively. I liked Al Groh a lot too when he was here.

Don't forget Romeo Crennel, (who would be a great fit here again should he become available).

[Greenbaumenom]

Romeo may be the worst head coach in the league.

[Jetman]

Romeo may be the worst head coach in the league.

But he would make one heck of a defensive coordinator. He ran this defense here with BB and BP, he ran it in New England and he would be a perfect fit to make it work here again.

[Greenbaumenom]

Have you seen his defense now?

[Jetman]

Romeo may be the worst head coach in the league.

Have you seen his defense now?

Did you see the Browns defense when Bill Belichick was the head coach? Right now he's looking at and trying to manage the whole team, but as the DC he can go back to micro managing the D. Not to mention the fact that he and Mangini know each other very well and Crennel knows exactly what Mangini's looking for.

[Greenbaumenom]

Good point, I hope we can get someone new after the season, I wonder if Mangini is already thinking about it.

[SARone]

Don't forget Romeo Crennel, (who would be a great fit here again should he become available).

Good point. We do have Bill Callahan, after all. Maybe the plan is to hire every disgraced and un-hireable ex-head coach in the NFL so as to cumulatively create one decent one.

SAR I

[Jetman]

Good point, I hope we can get someone new after the season, I wonder if Mangini is already thinking about it.

I'm sure he doesn't want to see his friend get fired, but New York would not be a bad place for Crennel to rebuild his rep like BB did, then get another shot at HC (if he wants it) somewhere else.

[Greenbaumenom]

After this season, I can't name an owner that would want Crennel as the HC of their team.

[Beamen]

After this season, I can't name an owner that would want Crennel as the HC of their team.

It's funny how fast things change in the NFL. Last season the Browns were a team on the rise, Crennel was a star HC in the making, and Derek Anderson was a franchise QB. Oh how the mighty have fallen!

I've got to agree with the overriding sentiment here that in 1998 the major difference was the coaching staff. Mangini and Co are showing improvement, but they still have a long way to go. Parcells was as good a HC, with as good a staff underneath him as we've had in years.

Additionally, the truly dominant #1 WR made a huge difference. I love our corps now, but Keyshawn was unstoppable in 1998, and he was the main reason Vinny looked so good.


Also, while Thomas Jones is having a very, very good year, Curtis Martin was much more consistent when it came to making something out of nothing. You almost never saw Curtis stopped in the backfield- if he was hit there, he'd be sure to fall forward for a gain of one or two. 2nd and 8s once or twice a game instead of 2nd and 12s make a difference over the course of a season.

[SackExchange]

I feel like we are more talented now, but that team was amazing.
That team had way more talent at the skill positions... Curtis Martin, Keyshawn Johnson, and Wayne Chrebet were better than Jones, Cothcery and Coles. Though Vinny didn't have Favre's carreer, for one year he was great, better than Favre this year. Coaches were better.... offensive line was probably better led by Mawae.... Defense was great led by Mo Lewis and Aaron Glen... plus our peripheral guys were great that year, Richie Anderson, Lamont Jordan... It's way to early to compare this team to that one, and lets not forget, that team didn't make the SB.

I believe we had 5 pro bowlers as well... we don't have 5 this year.

[Dunnie]

That team had way more talent at the skill positions... Curtis Martin, Keyshawn Johnson, and Wayne Chrebet were better than Jones, Cothcery and Coles. Though Vinny didn't have Favre's carreer, for one year he was great, better than Favre this year. Coaches were better.... offensive line was probably better led by Mawae.... Defense was great led by Mo Lewis and Aaron Glen... plus our peripheral guys were great that year, Richie Anderson, Lamont Jordan... It's way to early to compare this team to that one, and lets not forget, that team didn't make the SB.

I believe we had 5 pro bowlers as well... we don't have 5 this year.

I disagree ... i think Jones is having as good or even a better year than Curtis did (3.5 yds per carry, 8 tds), and with leon and t rich we are better in the backfield.

Also ... you neglect to include Keller vs Brady .. obviously Keller ... no contest.

[Greenbaumenom]

Just coaching, and there weren't as many dominant teams at that time, a ton more competition now.

[Beamen]

Just coaching, and there weren't as many dominant teams at that time, a ton more competition now.

The '98 Broncos were worlds better than any team in the AFC this year...

There is no truly dominant team in the AFC this year.... The Titans, Pats, Steelers and Jets are the top teams, but none of them stands out. I'd probably put Pittsburgh as the best team in the conference, but they'd be embarrassed by the '98 Broncos or the '98 Jets.

There's more competition this season, because there's a handful of good teams, as opposed to two exceptional teams, clearly above everyone else.... The conference isn't better- it's just more up for grabs...

[Jets337]

I agree that coaching is the biggest difference. Keyshaun and Chrebet were here in 96 for 1-15. Both Parcells and Belichick are future HOFers. Jury still out on Mangini.

[SackExchange]

I disagree ... i think Jones is having as good or even a better year than Curtis did (3.5 yds per carry, 8 tds), and with leon and t rich we are better in the backfield.

Also ... you neglect to include Keller vs Brady .. obviously Keller ... no contest.
Martin almost never went down behind the line of scrimmage, Jones does all the time. However, it's not a huge difference. Washington and T-Rich are comparable to Jordan and Anderson as well, though Jordan was much better at straight ahead running whereas Washington is a speed guy, screen pass guy. But you can't argue that our recievers were better in 98, we have no real playmakers now. You could include Keller, but he's a rookie who has only been a real part of the offense for four game and he's already been annointed the greatest TE ever. Unfortunately, we need his speed in the offense because of the lack of it from our recievers. This causes other problems, since Keller isn't a great blocker when he's in he's basically a flanker which creates more pressure on Favre, so if the whole offense isn't clicking, mainly the line, and Favre can't drop 1,2,3, and throw, the whole thing doesn't work. In 98, the big play threat, and big plays made were a reality. We don't have that now. It is game planning that has won the big games... Favre is our only true play maker on offense. In 98 we had Keyshawn, Testaverde, Martin, and of course Parcells.

[Dunnie]

We will hav eto agree to disagree .. I think we have far more talent today.

[GastineauSackMaster99]

We will hav eto agree to disagree .. I think we have far more talent today.

It's hard to say, I don't know. I just can't believe that was 10 years ago, jeez!

[Silversword55]

A coach with a lot of football IQ.

[SackExchange]

In 98 we had a secondary with a really good CB in Glenn, and they rarely gave up big plays. This team has the two most overated pass defenders ever in Revis and Rhodes. In 98 we had a QB with an arm and people to throw too, we do't have that.... and after a few good games all of a sudden Keller is a hall of famer... some Jet fans need to come back to reality.

[usaalways]

we had a big physical WR...Keyshawn Johnson. That is the huge difference. Cant win much with 2 mediocre #2(at best) short WRs in Coles and Cotchery.

[patsblo]

We obviously had a better coaching staff. They all need to go. I'm so sick of seeing this garbage.

[KJ4NYJ]

We did not have Lamont Jordan until 2001 when Herm Edwards came to town. Leon Johnson was the number 2 back.